Cant do manual trannys anymore, knees just wont have it. As far a selling a truck cuz its 10 years old ,my silverado K2500 4x4 is 20 years old and i wont part with it. Just too darn dependable. No rust either.
I've yet to get to a scheduled transmission service interval without a catastrophic failure on my v10 350... 250k; I wish. I'd be happy to go 60k.The lockup torque converters have all but eliminated the friction losses from an auto compared to a manual these days and you can easily get 250k+ on an automatic with just a few fluid changes over the life of the transmission.
I believe the transmission is my 1997 saturn is a cvt. I am about 90% sure.
I'm not a fan of the driving experience of CVTs, but I have never seen any reference to this rash of CVT reliability problems you are alluding to. Care to provide detail?
The truck rotting depends on location. My 86' F250 is rust free since we don't use salt on the roads here.
For the rich city grocery getter guy in a suit that drives 10 miles round trip a day that may be true.I should have been more general with my proposal that trucks rot away before you benefit from the supposed 300k mile life of the diesels. In addition to rot, the 300k mile truck will have experienced significant aging such as dings, dents, paint fade, loose door hinges, stained carpet, expensive front end repairs, etc. that the buyers and owners of 70,000$ trucks will not tolerate.
Put another way, the rich SOB that buys a 70k$ truck will almost never be the same guy that is driving it at 300k miles when it finally bursts into flames and dies. Those rich guys won't tolerate the decline in looks, dependability, and status symbolism.
I bought the high dollar diesel truck after that rich guy wore out all the pretty and the depreciation hit had occurred. Ill be driving it when it bursts into flames or leaves me stranded once too many times.
First one went right after the factory warranty expired... Ford gave me a brand new transmission. I only had to pay install labor. $500Mike, You keep putting transmissions in your 350? Are you buying heavy dutu built ones? Why not get another truck all those transmissions can't be cheap. Maybe they can't stand up to the v10?
You must always be towi g 8-12,000 pounds with it or something.
I've yet to get to a scheduled transmission service interval without a catastrophic failure on my v10 350... 250k; I wish. I'd be happy to go 60k.
Your definition of "pretty much rust free" does not agree with mine. [emoji12]My 1980 k10 is pretty much rust free. Some rot on rockers and floor pans bit thats from leaky seals and rain. A tiny amount on back of wheels in fenders where mud is sandwiched between the layers of metal. And some on the seams in the bed from where dirt and crud had packed over the years. Everything else is minor surface rust and nothing major.
we bought an Outback with a CVT two years ago.
I've heard Subaru has one of the better CVTs out there, and if I were to buy a 2010 or newer Outback I would consider the CVT even though I prefer a manual. The fuel economy is significantly better, at least according to ratings. At 65 mph the Outback with the CVT is around 1800 rpm (from what I've read) - that must make for a much quieter ride and probably somewhat better mpgs than the previous Outback generation with a manual. Those would be around 3,000-3,200 rpm. Although the engine displacement was 2.5L with the previous generation, the 2010 + 2.5s are now 'undersquare', the stroke is longer than the bore, maybe the net result is more torque, but the older engine
would still be capable of less rpm at highway speeds and still be able to accelerate. I never understood why Subaru geared the manual transmission Outbacks so low (high numerically) in top gear.
I don't find the CVT in the company Jeep I drive objectionable at all. Different, yes - floor it to merge on the highway and the rpms shoot up near 4k and stay there as the speed increases, let off the accelerator at 65mph and it's down to about 2k. I see the 2015s Jeep Patriots are now 6 speed automatics - I wonder if that's because of trouble or feedback re: the CVT.
Clemsonfor, your 1997 Saturn has a 4 speed automatic transmission. CVT transmissions are a relatively new product.
jharkin, you should do your own research. The company called Jatco is the supplier for Nissan's transmissions. My neighbor's Nissan Altima had catastrophic transmission failure within one year. The pathfinder line of vehicles is under a class action lawsuit for transmission failures. Jatco supplies something like 45 percent of CVT's installed in new vehicles in the U.S.
We vote with our dollars for what we want to see in this world. I would like to discourage people from buying vehicles with transmissions that don't last.
The 2015 Legacys' and Outbacks' CVT also has simulated shift points
but often these things get blown out of proportion. For example Honda had a rash of problems with automatics in the accords, pilot's and miniavns in the early 200s that they eventually solved mostly by changing ATF formulations.
My wife's Honda Odyssey is one of the models with a problem transmission caused by using non-synthetic fluid and no extra cooler. The transmissions in in 99 to 04 odysseys were notorious for failures but if you put the extra cooler on them and switched to synthetic fluid the problem didn't appear.
They did make some sh*t transmissions for quite a few years.
The only honda auto tech I have ever talked with always said to change your transmission fluid ( 2.5 qts ) every 10-15k. Much much more often then the manual states. Fortunately its very simple to change. One bolt no filter. Always use the Honda fluid as well.
They did make some sh*t transmissions for quite a few years. Seemed like a roll of the dice as to whether it was a good generation or bad generation transmission.
Every 10K? Thats every oil change and sounds just a bit excessive? the manual for my wife's Pilot says a full change every 60 or 90 with the older conventional Honda fluid. Since it is one of the years that has issues I do a drain/fill (partial change) every 30k with redline synthetic.
I dont yet trust these factory intervals going close to 100k and more, but OTOH a tech calling for 10k trans sounds like the quick lube guy trying to sell you a 3000 mile oil change when the factory says 15k is ok.
Honda has always had automatic problems. Part of the issue I think is that their autos are such a unique design, rather than use a planetary gearset like everyone else they basicaly have a manual style box with shift actuators added to it. Its especially odd they never get it right, as their manual boxes are some of the best in the industry.
My factory manual still calls out 3000 mile oil changes, for towing use profile, which is what I do. Wife's last three cars have all been spec'd at 10k changes on full synthetic, but always needed topping off at 5k, lest a low oil level sensor light comes on and scares the hell out of you....sounds like the quick lube guy trying to sell you a 3000 mile oil change when the factory says 15k is ok.
Is this new, or are you sure you're not putting the lever in "M"? Our 2013 varies continuously when in Auto, unless I hit the shift paddles, in which case it switches to a simulated shift point (not my preferred behavior in that scenario, but not a big issue).
I can't think of a reason to program a CVT to always jump through simulated shift points. That's just throwing one of the pros of CVT's out the window.
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