Vestas has a solution for recycling wind turbine blades

[woodgeek]

Just like EV's. people think they're the cats azz but just don't think about where the elec comes from. Or where the batteries come from. Or tires...molded body parts for the car, interior of car-plastics, synthetics, on and on. Just plug it in somwehere and the world is better!

Yeah, ICE cars are so much more egalitarian.... they degrade the climate all over the world. What could be more fair that that?

 

[begreen]

Yeah, ICE cars are so much more egalitarian.... they degrade the climate all over the world. What could be more fair that that?

ICE cars have all the same issues and then some for tires...molded body parts for the car, interior of car-plastics, synthetics, greater brake wear, on and on.

 

[SpaceBus]

I was going to get one of those new fangled automobiles powered by an internal combustion engine, but then I found out you can't refuel it by any creekside or pond. My horses aren't limited by any kind of fuel or state of charge and can haul any load I can fit on the wagon.

All kidding aside, why are so many people comfortable with toxic and explosive fuels being stored everywhere and handled by untrained people? I at least have a hazmat license, most folks pumping fuel do not.

 

[EbS-P]

A couple weeks back I was listening to a fellah on the radio talk about his experience with a Prius and a Tesla...he said he owned the Prius and loved it. When it was time to replace it he had decided to go full EV and got a Tesla. He said he didn't dislike the car, but it quickly became apparent there was very little savings to be had from buying electric vs gas...maybe even cost a bit more in some scenarios...not to mention the extra headache of having to plan out charge stops when on trips...and the time charging takes to accomplish. He said the final nail in the EV coffin, for him, was having to buy 3 sets of very expensive tires in 3 years. He said he was over the EV hype at this point, decided to go back to an ICE car, for now...maybe (maybe!) try an EV again in 5-10 years, after some things have been figured out, and would no longer be an uncompensated early adopter/guinea pig for the industry.
Part of my point here is what to do with all the worn out EV tires...we have enough issues with tire disposal/recycling already....and enough tire dust floating around along the roads...can't imagine how it'd be if everybody replaced tires yearly!
I can't say an EV is anywhere on the horizon for me...someday, maybe. I'm not against it, just not cool with it being crammed down our throats, especially when the whole thing has a ton of bugs to be worked out yet! Heck, I'm in the process of going electric on my log splittah!
There has to be something can be done with those turbine blades though! (besides bury them)

EVs often come equipped with low rolling resistance tires that place economy (range) over wear and many EVs are heavy cars. Still, excess tire wear is not terrible or peculiar to EVs and not even to all Tesla models unless they are driven like muscle cars. Figure about 20% shorter lifespan. There are some options like going from 19" tires to 21" that can reduce range and increase wear.

The solution of course is anti-gravity so that we can do away with tires altogether. But not in my lifetime. Instead, drive a bit less. Walk and take out the bicycle sometimes.

Tesla is know for terrible alignments from the factory that are “within spec” if he had a model X yep they eat tires for breakfast lunch and dinner. 30k miles is a set is decent if your get some enjoyment out of the instant torque for a model 3 or y AWD.

 

[EbS-P]

I was going to get one of those new fangled automobiles powered by an internal combustion engine, but then I found out you can't refuel it by any creekside or pond. My horses aren't limited by any kind of fuel or state of charge and can haul any load I can fit on the wagon.

All kidding aside, why are so many people comfortable with toxic and explosive fuels being stored everywhere and handled by untrained people? I at least have a hazmat license, most folks pumping fuel do not.

A dad dropped his kid off at daycare. The 4 year old had pulled the fuel hose out while filling. They were both covered in gas. They walked right in and he left. They had to clear the classroom out for an hour or more because of the smell.

 

[brenndatomu]

Tesla is know for terrible alignments from the factory that are “within spec” if he had a model X yep they eat tires for breakfast lunch and dinner. 30k miles is a set is decent if your get some enjoyment out of the instant torque for a model 3 or y AWD.

Model 3 IIRC

 

[yooperdave]

Yeah, ICE cars are so much more egalitarian.... they degrade the climate all over the world. What could be more fair that that?

egalitarian

ĭ-găl″ĭ-târ′ē-ən

adjective​

1. Affirming, promoting, or characterized by belief in equal political, economic, social, and civil rights for all people.
2. Characterized by socialequality and equalrights for all people.
3. favoring social equality

Ah! There's the rub! Socialism....

 

[yooperdave]

ICE cars have all the same issues and then some for tires...molded body parts for the car, interior of car-plastics, synthetics, greater brake wear, on and on.

Exactly. Makes a hypocrite out of anyone.

But for anyone so vehemently opposed to traditional generated elec, building a wind farm where it is not wanted is not the answer.

If people are indeed that dedicated to solar/wind; now is the time for them to invest in there own systems. Place the unsightly solar panels in their own yard along with a smaller wind turbine. Than they can look at them all day! 😇

 

[yooperdave]

A dad dropped his kid off at daycare. The 4 year old had pulled the fuel hose out while filling. They were both covered in gas. They walked right in and he left. They had to clear the classroom out for an hour or more because of the smell.

The problem doesn't lie with the gasoline, it lies with the father.

Shame on him for not taking his child home and bathing/redressing him. No common sense? Just ooking gfor someone else to accept responsibility for the accident.

 

[yooperdave]

I was going to get one of those new fangled automobiles powered by an internal combustion engine, but then I found out you can't refuel it by any creekside or pond. My horses aren't limited by any kind of fuel or state of charge and can haul any load I can fit on the wagon.

All kidding aside, why are so many people comfortable with toxic and explosive fuels being stored everywhere and handled by untrained people? I at least have a hazmat license, most folks pumping fuel do not.

 

[SpaceBus]

Exactly. Makes a hypocrite out of anyone.

But for anyone so vehemently opposed to traditional generated elec, building a wind farm where it is not wanted is not the answer.

If people are indeed that dedicated to solar/wind; now is the time for them to invest in there own systems. Place the unsightly solar panels in their own yard along with a smaller wind turbine. Than they can look at them all day! 😇

I wish small wind turbines would work, I would have one. I think most people would jump at the opportunity to have solar installed on their property. Why are you so hung up on wind turbines? There are houses next to power plants worldwide... Mostly poor housing with people suffering from the emissions. Replacing those plants with wind or solar would be a benefit to all. I don't know about you, but I find coal, nat gas, and nuclear plants to be very ugly. Plus they pollute and destroy the environment so people can monopolize energy.

I find it ironic that you made a crack at someone over reading comprehension, yet you recycle the same tired arguments for days on end.

 

[SpaceBus]

There are dangerous chemicals everywhere and regular people pay the price every day. People complain that cancer is everywhere and then make jokes about prop 65 warnings.

 

[yooperdave]

I can't say an EV is anywhere on the horizon for me...someday, maybe. I'm not against it, just not cool with it being crammed down our throats, especially when the whole thing has a ton of bugs to be worked out yet!

Exactly. EV sure wouldn't work in my climate.

 

[yooperdave]

I wish small wind turbines would work, I would have one. I think most people would jump at the opportunity to have solar installed on their property. Why are you so hung up on wind turbines? There are houses next to power plants worldwide... Mostly poor housing with people suffering from the emissions. Replacing those plants with wind or solar would be a benefit to all. I don't know about you, but I find coal, nat gas, and nuclear plants to be very ugly. Plus they pollute and destroy the environment so people can monopolize energy.

I find it ironic that you made a crack at someone over reading comprehension, yet you recycle the same tired arguments for days on end.

I find the wind farms unsightly. Just like I stated originally. I also find it highly offensive that our elected "officials" have the authority to pretty much place the wind farms wherever they deem necessary.

There's gotta be a way to make the "traditional" generating plants cleaner. Instead of jamming solar and wind down our throats, spend research $$ on that.

I guess you aren't recycling the same argument for days on end though.....just me, huh? Now that crack is ironic!

 

[yooperdave]

There are dangerous chemicals everywhere and regular people pay the price every day. People complain that cancer is everywhere and then make jokes about prop 65 warnings.

Yup, cancer is everywhere. Even in what you eat.

Over 40 years ago, I spoke with someone who was in (government?) funded cancer research. They told me that they are really close to finding a cure for cancer. Here we are, decades later, still funding research and nothing has changed. Someone is making a lot of money.

It comes down to this.

No matter how hard "we" try, no matter what laws are enacted, life is not fair and it isn't meant to be. There will always be sickness, disease, hunger, poverty, and above all, hypocrites.

 

[EbS-P]

The problem doesn't lie with the gasoline, it lies with the father.

Shame on him for not taking his child home and bathing/redressing him. No common sense? Just ooking gfor someone else to accept responsibility for the accident.

I completely agree. But how many of these minor incidents will be avoided by use of battery powered cars? I have watched enough wham bam Tesla cam to conclude gasoline is more dangerous than a BEV. A 1000 pound battery makes it more difficult to do stupid stuff with. I have a 5 gallon gas can that I didn’t quite empty thinking “I should leave some for my mower” but I never put it back in the shed it’s beside the house. I will go put it away now.

 

[stoveliker]

Yup, cancer is everywhere. Even in what you eat.

Over 40 years ago, I spoke with someone who was in (government?) funded cancer research. They told me that they are really close to finding a cure for cancer. Here we are, decades later, still funding research and nothing has changed. Someone is making a lot of money.

I'm sorry but either you misunderstood or the person you talked to is unqualified to talk about cancer at all.

Many cancers can be cured. Some even prevented (see HPV vaccine). The point is that cancer is not a thing. There are so many different cancers, that all need their own approach, that such a statement (cure cancer) utterly disqualifies someone from having anything useful to say about cancer.

Saying nothing has changed after decades of research is ridiculous. Go back in time and get cancer in 1980. I rather take my chances today. (And I did, in a way, long story.)

Sorry to be forceful, but this hits a nerve with me because of personal experience.

 

[SpaceBus]

I find the wind farms unsightly. Just like I stated originally. I also find it highly offensive that our elected "officials" have the authority to pretty much place the wind farms wherever they deem necessary.

There's gotta be a way to make the "traditional" generating plants cleaner. Instead of jamming solar and wind down our throats, spend research $$ on that.

I guess you aren't recycling the same argument for days on end though.....just me, huh? Now that crack is ironic!

Burning fossil fuels will never be clean, it's not possible. You would end up using more energy than you gained from burning the fuels in order to mitigate the carbon emissions. What you are describing is a fantasy.

First off, I don't think any energy generation is actually owned by the federal or state governments. "They" aren't deciding to put up anything, private companies have determined that it is profitable to build these structures and seek permits from applicable regulatory bodies. The regulatory bodies have decided that putting up solar and wind "farms" is a much better option than building out new fossil fuel infrastructure. This is simply the free market at work. If you don't like it, move next door to a power plant and bask in the ambiance.

Why are you so persistent in using fossil fuels? Does Exxon pay you? Do you have large amounts of money invested in oil stock?

 

[brenndatomu]

If you don't like it, move next door to a power plant and bask in the ambiance.

We live about a mile downwind from an old coal and gas fired power plant (it was fully coal until recent years) and I've lived in this neighborhood almost all my life, except for a few years after high school. My parents live right up the road, and have most of their adult lives...heck, almost everyone for several miles around are very long term, if not lifelong residents of the neighborhood (mostly family owned farms)and nobody has any air quality or "ambiance" complaints...other than maybe the occasional "fresh country air".
There is not rampant cancer, or asthma, or an abundance of any other terminal illnesses...pretty much just like any other area really...well, maybe less honestly, many of the neighbors have lived well into their 80s, some 90's...the lady next place up is soon 100, still lives by herself and tends her own gardens...her husband lived to 93 and was still sharp as a tack.
A very large and well known new car dealership recently built a brand new facility ($$$) right next to the power plant (literally...only a small creek separating them) Goodwill just built a brand new store, right next to the car dealer, the guy on the other side of the car dealer just did a full down to the studs remodel of his house. The houses on the street behind the power plant continue to go up in price, and sell well. My neighbor 2 doors up lived in one of the houses behind the power plant for years...he didn't sell for any reason other than the chance for a property with enough land to have a big garden and a flock of chickens (without dealing with city ordinances) when they bought the place they live in now, their old house didn't even get to market officially before it was sold.
I'm sure not all power plant neighbors have a good experience, but I can say first hand that its not nearly as bad as the media/greenies like to portray.

 

[SpaceBus]

We live about a mile downwind from an old coal and gas fired power plant (it was fully coal until recent years) and I've lived in this neighborhood almost all my life, except for a few years after high school. My parents live right up the road, and have most of their adult lives...heck, almost everyone for several miles around are very long term, if not lifelong residents of the neighborhood (mostly family owned farms)and nobody has any air quality or "ambiance" complaints...other than maybe the occasional "fresh country air".
There is not rampant cancer, or asthma, or an abundance of any other terminal illnesses...pretty much just like any other area really...well, maybe less honestly, many of the neighbors have lived well into their 80s, some 90's...the lady next place up is soon 100, still lives by herself and tends her own gardens...her husband lived to 93 and was still sharp as a tack.
A very large and well known new car dealership recently built a brand new facility ($$$) right next to the power plant (literally...only a small creek separating them) Goodwill just built a brand new store, right next to the car dealer, the guy on the other side of the car dealer just did a full down to the studs remodel of his house. The houses on the street behind the power plant continue to go up in price, and sell well. My neighbor 2 doors up lived in one of the houses behind the power plant for years...he didn't sell for any reason other than the chance for a property with enough land to have a big garden and a flock of chickens (without dealing with city ordinances) when they bought the place they live in now, their old house didn't even get to market officially before it was sold.
I'm sure not all power plant neighbors have a good experience, but I can say first hand that its not nearly as bad as the media/greenies like to portray.

I suppose you intimately knew all of their health issues? It's pretty well settled that heavy metals, sulfur, coal ash, and many other toxic chemicals are emitted from power plant stacks. It you looked at me you would never guess I'm 70% disabled. Appearances can be deceiving.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41370-021-00369-7

Kind of crazy that I'm even having this discussion. I never thought I would have to convince another adult that coal plants are not desirable places to live near.

 

[brenndatomu]

I suppose you intimately knew all of their health issues?

Of course not...but in a little community like this, where everybody knows everybody all their lives, you find out who is sick with what sooner or later...even if not, just the evidence of most people living 80-90 yrs (+) and when you see them it is very apparent they are relatively healthy and happy...can't be too sick!
But whatever, not looking to bicker details with you, I was just stating a first hand point of view from a coal fired power plant community. But I suppose that is still meaningless, since it doesn't align with your worldview.

 

[SpaceBus]

Of course not...but in a little community like this, where everybody knows everybody all their lives, you find out who is sick with what sooner or later...even if not, just the evidence of most people living 80-90 yrs (+) and when you see them it is very apparent they are relatively healthy and happy...can't be too sick!
But whatever, not looking to bicker details with you, I was just stating a first hand point of view from a coal fired power plant community. But I suppose that is still meaningless, since it doesn't align with your worldview.

Is what I'm saying meaningless because you know healthy people living near a coal plant? I know people that smoked a pack of cigarettes every day of their life and didn't have any issues. Does that mean smoking is safe?

 

[yooperdave]

I'm sorry but either you misunderstood or the person you talked to is unqualified to talk about cancer at all.

Yeah, that must be it!

Glad you beat it. Who knows....maybe the person I had spoken with had some direct connection in your recovery with their efforts.

 

[brenndatomu]

Is what I'm saying meaningless because you know healthy people living near a coal plant? I know people that smoked a pack of cigarettes every day of their life and didn't have any issues. Does that mean smoking is safe?

I'm not going teat for tat with you, I gave my 1st hand experience, but I see that it was much too small of a "data sample" to be if any value to you, I'm out.

 

[yooperdave]

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Why are you so persistent in using fossil fuels? Does Exxon pay you? Do you have large amounts of money invested in oil stock?

Why are you so dead set against fossil fuels? Are you truly opposed to anything produced by petroleum? Is your lifestyle truly free of any byproducts produced by the oil industry? Or do you tout that view just when it is convenient? Can't you understand that there are other opinions/views that are opposing to yours? Do you think you will change my mind on the very offensive nature of wind turbines disrupting the serene views and pristine locations they are placed in?

Did you actually feel the need to attain a "hazmat" license in order for you to pump fuel? Does that certification enable you to persuade your views on others?