Top Auger not working Englander

[imacman]

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I looked at CSH INC and couldn't find gearmotors......

Here's the link to their motors. Click the green "details" button. If cooling air is the reason they are listed as "continuous", I don't see any fan on that motor.

(broken link removed to http://www.cshincorporated.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=v003&x=0&y=0)

 

[Harvey Schneider]

Look under "auger motor"

I searched under pellet and corn stove:
(broken link removed to http://www.gleasonavery.com/catalog/pellet-corn-stove-motors.html)

Edit:
I went back and searched under auger motor and got the same page.

 

[Harvey Schneider]

Here's the link to their motors. Click the green "details" button. If cooling air is the reason they are listed as "continuous", I don't see any fan on that motor.

(broken link removed to http://www.cshincorporated.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=v003&x=0&y=0)

I went to the Multiproducts spec sheet:
(broken link removed to http://www.multiproducts.com/pdfs/Spec_9901A.pdf)
They don't have any mention of duty cycle. That is not proof that it is continuous duty, but it doesn't rule it out. The stack looks like it might be thicker than the original motor in my stove and it is described as impedance protected on the CSH web page.

 

[slvrblkk]

Look under "auger motor"

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(broken link removed to http://www.cshincorporated.com/images/AugerMotornew.jpg)


PV003 Auger motor by Multi Products of Wisconsin USA

115 Volts
SP/Open
.5 Amp
1 RPM
Continuous duty, Impedance Protected
CCW rotation, viewing from rear
3 in. body
Skeleton frame
1 in. x 3/8 in. shaft

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

PV003 Auger motor by Multi Products of Wisconsin USA this motor has the required high speed cooling fan shaft for air over operation .... see slvrblkk's post https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/top-auger-not-working-englander.100559/#post-1290342

 

[Harvey Schneider]

1 RPM
Continuous duty, Impedance Protected
CCW rotation, viewing from rear

Now how did I miss that?

 

[slvrblkk]

Now how did I miss that?

Its Sunday Lol

 

[Harvey Schneider]

Its Sunday Lol

I'm retired, every day is Sunday.

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

Its Sunday Lol

I'm retired as well and it is indeed Sunday neither are valid excuses, especially if it is right there in picture form as well as hen scratchings .

 

[pkeaola]

I own a England Stove Works 25- PVDC. The top auger just kind of stopped working.. So I did a bunch of research online and then started tearing into the stove. First thing I did was
Step 1- deep clean the entire stove including the exhaust fan and flu. Tested... FAIL
Step 2- Took apart top auger to clean out any clogging in it. The bearings seemed fine. Put it back together tested: FAIL
Step 3- Checked on vacuum hoses, they seem fine so I unplugged the wire from the vacuum switch and bridged the wires together with an auto fuse to bypass the switch. Tested: Motor still doesn't work.
Step 4- While vacuum switch is bypassed I took wires from top auger and plugged them into bottom auger, the bottom auger would turn....pause....tun....pause just like the top auger was suppose to. Then I took the wires from the bottom auger and plugged them into the top auger.... it was able to turn constantly just like the bottom auger is suppose to. That leads me to think that the switch board is fine and both motors work, and vacuum switches are working.....
So yeah I'm stumped and looking for answers as to why my top auger wont turn.

Blaine

blaine can u please tell me ... when you say you bridged the wires together with an auto fuse ? do you mean that you connected the top wire that goes to the vacuum switch and ran it directly to the board for power with a fuse in between the motor and the board?im trying to figure out the same thing ,as i just bought this stove and i m having same problem ., i am trying to figure out if its the vacuum switch?i am able to get the the top auger to work if i plug it directly to a power supply with a hot and a neutral but it wont work if i put pellets in the hopper. .in cleaned the shaft auger and it runs fine but as soon as i put it in it wont , again i am a novice i just dont understand what you mean by bridging ?do you leave the other wire that comes out of the vacuum switch still going to the board ?thanks

 

[pkeaola]

hi all i am having an issue with top auger , i did all the cleaning etc. it wont run at all when connected to the leads to the vacuum switch but when i plug into lower leads or directly to power outlet it runs fine! how can i tell if the vacuum switch is bad ?blaine had mentioned that he bridged the the wire that goes into the vacuum switch from the motor , but im not sure whta he means /does the other lead that continues into the board remain connected ?with a fuse in between?i by passed the control board altogether and used switches for each blower seperately then for lower auger since it runs continuous and a switch for the igniter finally a switch for the the top auger motor with a speed adjustment switch for the blower motor and top auger but if i put even the slightest amount of pellets the top auger wont turn ?so i guess its the top auger as someone mentioned above i will replace the top motor from the surplus center but which motor do i buy?

 

[Harvey Schneider]

hi all i am having an issue with top auger , i did all the cleaning etc. it wont run at all when connected to the leads to the vacuum switch but when i plug into lower leads or directly to power outlet it runs fine! how can i tell if the vacuum switch is bad ?blaine had mentioned that he bridged the the wire that goes into the vacuum switch from the motor , but im not sure whta he means /does the other lead that continues into the board remain connected ?with a fuse in between?i by passed the control board altogether and used switches for each blower seperately then for lower auger since it runs continuous and a switch for the igniter finally a switch for the the top auger motor with a speed adjustment switch for the blower motor and top auger but if i put even the slightest amount of pellets the top auger wont turn ?so i guess its the top auger as someone mentioned above i will replace the top motor from the surplus center but which motor do i buy?

If you are using a fuse that has blades compatible with the faston connectors that normally go on the vacuum switch, replace the switch with the fuse. If the motor runs, the control board is okay.
The problem then is either the switch is bad or the vacuum level is not adequate. the latter could be either a clogged hose, a leak of air into the fire box or a dirty stove.

 

[pkeaola]

If you are using a fuse that has blades compatible with the faston connectors that normally go on the vacuum switch, replace the switch with the fuse. If the motor runs, the control board is okay.
The problem then is either the switch is bad or the vacuum level is not adequate. the latter could be either a clogged hose, a leak of air into the fire box or a dirty stove.

thank you so very much , ill give it a try i have the englander stove so i ran a fresh air intake and didnt have it set up when i initially started the stove ..... so ill try your method first if the motor still doesnt run i guess it must be the motor although it seems to run perfect and not get hot , just doesnt run while plugged into the board error code 2 and then 1 and shuts the stove off thanks again most insightful

 

[Harvey Schneider]

thank you so very much , ill give it a try i have the englander stove so i ran a fresh air intake and didnt have it set up when i initially started the stove ..... so ill try your method first if the motor still doesnt run i guess it must be the motor although it seems to run perfect and not get hot , just doesnt run while plugged into the board error code 2 and then 1 and shuts the stove off thanks again most insightful

Since you have already determined that the motor runs, that isn't the problem. What is left is the control board and the vaccum detection system. Reread my previous post.

 

[pkeaola]

got cha right will do thank you for taking the time , very nice to know that this place exists and there are pps like yourself that are knowledgablethanks again