The rise of EVs.... some data.
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SpaceBus
Minister of Fire
Yeah, EVs have gotten much faster at charging. Furthermore, if you are going on a long road trip with passengers, you will be stopping every 150 miles or so to use the bathroom, stretch, etc. If you have kids that's a 30+ minute stop, although I'm sure there are families that can do it faster or slower. Plenty of time to add another 150 miles to most EVs, if not even more range.
I am still looking for somewhere to plug in my level 2 charger on the road for my plug in hybrid. I have found various charging stations both Tesla and non tesla but non are compatible with my Toyota.
The cynic in me is starting to think that facility owners are looking at chargers for "green cred" rather than actually being used for charging.
The cynic in me is starting to think that facility owners are looking at chargers for "green cred" rather than actually being used for charging.
SpaceBus
Minister of Fire
Are there no adaptors to make it work with the Tesla gear? At some point an agency is going to have to dictate a standardized plug/charging arrangement.
EbS-P
Minister of Fire
It is many of the same people that are hit hardest by climate change which this whole EV transition is meant to reduce. Probably not for the parents or kids but maybe grandkids? I think you may find if gas prices stay reasonable a venerable used ICE vehicle market will exist. One where the average age of a on ICE vehicle get older and older. (Picture of Cuba flash in my head but it’s not going to be that). With out changes to building code they will not have access to chargers in my opinion. Subsidies will be a thing. Small cheap BEV will too. I fully expect some company will license a Chinese design get batteries for it that make it tax credit eligible and sell it in the US. It won’t be free and and probably more expensive than a 15?year old ICE. The lack of vehicles produced the past two years will be noticeable in the used market for quite sometime.
13 years is not a long time. This is not a prohibition of ICE vehicles. Companies will find loopholes in rules. Political winds may shift. Hang on. We are in for a ride. Good sound policy at the state level will be important.
Not clear why you are so pessimistic. Cheap EVs and PHEVs are already in the used market NOW. And the price of NEW EVs is still falling, controlling for luxury and range.
All of those new EVs are gonna be used EVs in a few years.
I spoke too soon, while driving up from Mass today I found an outlet Mall in Tilton NH with chargers that would plug into my car. Over lunch I racked up 3 whole miles of range. Not sure what the output was as there was no displays just beer ads. My Prime is limited to 3300 watts maximum charge rate (there is a deluxe version with a 6600 watt capability but most at 3300 Watts) Therefore a Tesla station would not buy me much as I would be limited by the cars capacity.
EbS-P
Minister of Fire
With the used EV tax credit the equivalent used ICE will have to be cheaper
At home I charge at my Tesla 3100 watts. Some month soon the perfect vehicle will arrive on the market.
Yes, standardization will help a lot. Note that the charging cable is just that, the actual charger is built into the car. There is a difference in DC charging systems and L2 AC charging systems that work off of 120v or 240vac, the latter being much more universal with early EVs and hybrids. One can adapt sometimes or just plug it into a wall outlet. That said, the next generation will be mostly set up DC fast chargers I think, but they still need to be able to home (or motel) charge so they have an AC>DC converter built in. There is a whole kit of adapters available for Teslas.
The Prime has a standard J1772. The same mall has some with CCS1 cables that is DC fast charger cable, Its looks like the round J1772 but has two additional ports outside the circle. Despite it looking like a J1772 it would not fit my Toyota which does not have DC charging. .
Got it. You are not supposed to plug in CCS plugs to J1772 outlets... I think the top part still has the same pilot voltages, but doesn't have the 240V lines connected anyway.
But usually there are like 100 L2 public EVSEs with a J1772 for every CCS out there. And most would be more than the 3 kW you want.
You found a dog of an L2 if it gave you 3 miles over lunch, <1 kW. Yikes.
I think now that most EVs are longer range, the appeal of L2s at grocery stores and restaurants has gone down a LOT. And with less business, maybe fewer are being maintained. Now, I think the appeal of L2s is 'destination chargers' where you will be staying for >6 hours... like hotels, campgrounds or amusement parks.
A plug here for the PlugShare app. It lets you share charging rates, dead EVSEs, when you plan to leave, etc. with others.
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SpaceBus
Minister of Fire
That's quite a step forward in battery tech! It also seems to be a near production-ready product compared to most other battery designs currently in R&D.
Of course anything tagged for aviation is usually very steeply priced ; but in concept its the type of tech needed to get EVs and Plug in EVs into more of the mainstream.
Note that charging speed drops a fair amount along with range in cold winter weather. Range suffers worse in cars with resistance heaters instead of heat pumps.
Which seems like an issue for aviation, being chilly up there and all....
They're working that out.
www.cnn.com
Alice, the first all-electric passenger airplane, takes flight | CNN Business
The world's first all-electric passenger aircraft has successfully taken to the sky.
Then your remark of (non-resistive-heat) winter range for cars is just not valid...?
It is faaaaaaar colder up there than down on the ground, unless you're above the arctic circle or so.
It is faaaaaaar colder up there than down on the ground, unless you're above the arctic circle or so.
EbS-P
Minister of Fire
Keeping batteries with in an optimum operating temp range is a sloveable problem. They could be kept warm on the ground and I would guess the first planes won’t have more than 2 hours of powered flight time. Cabin temps will the be maintained by resistive heat??
My point is that a concern was noted (battery performance vs weather). That that concern is far worse for planes (because I'm sorry, but heat pumps at -50 F don't really work, and resistive heat drains too much) than for cars.
On the more positive side, I could imagine a plane that flies on electric energy, but has a little (bio-?) carbon-based fuel on board to keep batteries (and if needed passengers) warm. It would still be a huge improvement in renewable energy use if only the flying was done so.
On the more positive side, I could imagine a plane that flies on electric energy, but has a little (bio-?) carbon-based fuel on board to keep batteries (and if needed passengers) warm. It would still be a huge improvement in renewable energy use if only the flying was done so.
SpaceBus
Minister of Fire
I don't think these electric planes are flying at the same altitude as commercial airliners.
EbS-P
Minister of Fire
I’m think we will see more of small manufacturers using bigger companies tech. As long as the big dog does not see them as competition.
www.teslarati.com
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