The on going saga of why is this stove having problems. Pic attached

[Lousyweather]

This is a customer that claimed her stove was shutting off and later claimed the stove was "Overheating". Do you see a problem?

Which brings me to the question.........

Why don't the stove mfg's place a small removable filter (cleanable & reusable would even be better) over the air intake of the convection blower ??

Every forced air furnace has one.

Heck, even my walmart cheap china made dehumidifier has one too !


I guess we'll have to make our own out of a green scotchbrite pad...............

So, from how I am reading this, even though its an obvious case of lack of maintenance, its STILL the stove co's fault, right? As for furnaces, they move ALOT more air than these distribution fans do, and have a much larger intake.....I submit though, that even if a filter system were in place, the folter would still go uncleaned and unchanged........as for the furnace argument.....they rarely get changed as well when its up to the homeowner

Thats a ridiculous claim. Millions of sales of furnace filters in hardware stores says your wrong.

Also, these stove co's have to accept some accountability. They need to take the crayons out of whatever kids hands that designed these things and make the inside motors that require maintenance more accessible. You shouldn't have to 80% disassemble the unit to clean it.

lol- well, owning a hardware store, stove dealership, and an OIL COMPANY, I am in the position to tell you you overestimate the average consumer. And as for your ridiculous claim that you have to dissassemble 80% of the stove to clean it.....another overestimation. If folks arent willing to clean the vanes in their fans, they arent going to clean a filter either. As I said, or rather, alluded to, its impossible to idiot-proof a stove.....

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

Ok, here goes, I must confess. I took my stove apart and my intentions were good. I first took the vent pipe apart and vacuumed it really good, but couldn't get the Tcap off and had to buy a new one $59 ish, then took off the combustion blower (rubber arms is not even close to the issue of getting the bolts out) I practically had to stand on my head, turn each bolt a quarter of a turn because there is no room to get a full turn in. (Maybe I didn't have long enough tools, but cut me some slack I'm a woman). Once I got the combustion blower off, I vacuumed it really good but accidentally waived the hose past the gasket and sucked it up in the vacuum. :gulp: Went to the website to now buy another gasket $25 ish bucks w/shipping to replace it (but I'm warm tonight and not complaining mind you) Got that back together with the new gasket (took 1 hour at least and one good back ache afterwards). The last thing I could think of was taking off the room blower to find myself in the same situation. Will absolutely do it next year (2 dogs by the way, one is a big shedder) My bad???

You bad sydney, very, very bad.

She sucked her gasket, OH the HORROR of it all.

Syd, we should give you extra green boxes, you have done something many here are intimidated to try.

For those will tough reaches to your intake fans (room circulators) stop being cheap, buy a quality vac. I have gone the further step to get an ash vac. make a step down/step up adapter get some ribbed tubing (that will bend and stay - wire reinforced) and make yourself a small vacuum probe. If you do this on a regular basis, you won't have a problem build up.

For those in the throws of the craze, do not, repeat do not try this using a leaf blower.

Taking the room blower off consists of 5-6 bolts to be removed (which is no small task mind you) vacuuming the fins and insides of the blower and putting it back together (which is like working inside a crackerbox) Not a simple buy a nice vacuum and your set. I have a cheap Wally world vacuum w/dry wall bags that works nicely, not being cheap here. TY

sydney,

Maybe we have littlesmokey clean a few of the stoves out there. They ain't all the same it is almost like in some cases they added the blower as an after thought as in yeah boss you have a point it would be nice if the heated air made it into the room instead of us doing the over fire shut down which from the control board looks like an out of pellet situation :snake: .

 

[kinsmanstoves]

Who said a picture is worth a thousand words. You guys rock and need a hobby..... Oh you have one, Hearth.com.

Eric

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

Who said a picture is worth a thousand words. You guys rock and need a hobby..... Oh you have one, Hearth.com.

Eric

Eric,

I have a hobby it is raising chickens so I can have fresh eggs.

There is a strong commonality between raising chickens and pellet stoves.


For example why do my chickens have bald butts and missing tail feathers?

The list of possibilities is actually longer than those that folks here have to deal with when those silly error codes start flashing but otherwise close enough.

 

[JBlank912]

First, common sense is the convection blower should have a filter system, thats just common design sense. That said, since it does not, I have a Lopi Yankee stove, as best as I can figure, the way they recommend is to remove the rear of the stove (which is hard to reach due to the wall behind it) in order to clean the intake. Has anyone come up with an easier way to get to it? Can I just reach around the top of it with a vacuum and clean it that way? There web site has pictures showing the maintenance procedures posted now, the convection picture, a single one, is a bit vague as to how to get to the intake. I am using a Love-Less Ash vacuum with the soft hose attachment so I can reach any corner of the stove I wish to with it.

 

[kinsmanstoves]

As the stove burns use a 120 PSI pressure washer............. Use care and safety glasses from this point.

Eric

 

[Havlat24]

This is a customer that claimed her stove was shutting off and later claimed the stove was "Overheating". Do you see a problem?

Which brings me to the question.........

Why don't the stove mfg's place a small removable filter (cleanable & reusable would even be better) over the air intake of the convection blower ??

Every forced air furnace has one.

Heck, even my walmart cheap china made dehumidifier has one too !


I guess we'll have to make our own out of a green scotchbrite pad...............

So, from how I am reading this, even though its an obvious case of lack of maintenance, its STILL the stove co's fault, right? As for furnaces, they move ALOT more air than these distribution fans do, and have a much larger intake.....I submit though, that even if a filter system were in place, the folter would still go uncleaned and unchanged........as for the furnace argument.....they rarely get changed as well when its up to the homeowner

Thats a ridiculous claim. Millions of sales of furnace filters in hardware stores says your wrong.

Also, these stove co's have to accept some accountability. They need to take the crayons out of whatever kids hands that designed these things and make the inside motors that require maintenance more accessible. You shouldn't have to 80% disassemble the unit to clean it.

lol- well, owning a hardware store, stove dealership, and an OIL COMPANY, I am in the position to tell you you overestimate the average consumer. And as for your ridiculous claim that you have to dissassemble 80% of the stove to clean it.....another overestimation. If folks arent willing to clean the vanes in their fans, they arent going to clean a filter either. As I said, or rather, alluded to, its impossible to idiot-proof a stove.....

I would fully expect a retailer that would rather blame the consumer then stand behind their products or services.

"Heres a pellet stove, you have to be a contortionist to clean it, but you better clean it because if it stops working, its because you didnt clean it, because the thousands you spent on it mean nothing... your just an idiot that doesnt clean your stove."

Give me a break.

 

[stoveguy2esw]

This is a customer that claimed her stove was shutting off and later claimed the stove was "Overheating". Do you see a problem?

Which brings me to the question.........

Why don't the stove mfg's place a small removable filter (cleanable & reusable would even be better) over the air intake of the convection blower ??

Every forced air furnace has one.

Heck, even my walmart cheap china made dehumidifier has one too !


I guess we'll have to make our own out of a green scotchbrite pad...............

So, from how I am reading this, even though its an obvious case of lack of maintenance, its STILL the stove co's fault, right? As for furnaces, they move ALOT more air than these distribution fans do, and have a much larger intake.....I submit though, that even if a filter system were in place, the folter would still go uncleaned and unchanged........as for the furnace argument.....they rarely get changed as well when its up to the homeowner

Thats a ridiculous claim. Millions of sales of furnace filters in hardware stores says your wrong.

Also, these stove co's have to accept some accountability. They need to take the crayons out of whatever kids hands that designed these things and make the inside motors that require maintenance more accessible. You shouldn't have to 80% disassemble the unit to clean it.

well you know we could mount the components externally so they would be readily accessable, would make the stove look kinda funny. ive had the 25-pdvc in house since 2004 and have pulled and cleaned the components regularly with no difficulty. helps to have decent tools which make for easier maintenance. an extension for my cordless to reach into tight spots is what makes the difference. persoanlly i think servicing a pellet stove is far easier than most of the other appliances i have in my home.

 

[Havlat24]

This is a customer that claimed her stove was shutting off and later claimed the stove was "Overheating". Do you see a problem?

Which brings me to the question.........

Why don't the stove mfg's place a small removable filter (cleanable & reusable would even be better) over the air intake of the convection blower ??

Every forced air furnace has one.

Heck, even my walmart cheap china made dehumidifier has one too !


I guess we'll have to make our own out of a green scotchbrite pad...............

So, from how I am reading this, even though its an obvious case of lack of maintenance, its STILL the stove co's fault, right? As for furnaces, they move ALOT more air than these distribution fans do, and have a much larger intake.....I submit though, that even if a filter system were in place, the folter would still go uncleaned and unchanged........as for the furnace argument.....they rarely get changed as well when its up to the homeowner

Thats a ridiculous claim. Millions of sales of furnace filters in hardware stores says your wrong.

Also, these stove co's have to accept some accountability. They need to take the crayons out of whatever kids hands that designed these things and make the inside motors that require maintenance more accessible. You shouldn't have to 80% disassemble the unit to clean it.

well you know we could mount the components externally so they would be readily accessable, would make the stove look kinda funny. ive had the 25-pdvc in house since 2004 and have pulled and cleaned the components regularly with no difficulty. helps to have decent tools which make for easier maintenance. an extension for my cordless to reach into tight spots is what makes the difference. persoanlly i think servicing a pellet stove is far easier than most of the other appliances i have in my home.

Im not disagreeing with you, i service mine with no problems. However in my career I have trained hundreds of people, and I have learned that there is nothing common about common sense. What you or I find easy to pick up, or even basic mechanical aptitude differs from person to person. Not everyone who buys a car is a mechanic.

I have a problem with a thread calling people morons and idiots for not cleaning their stoves based on an obscure picture without any details. Could have been a widows pellet stove for all we know... but shes an idiot because she called him because she was having problems.

 

[joefraser]

Taking the room blower off consists of 5-6 bolts to be removed (which is no small task mind you) vacuuming the fins and insides of the blower and putting it back together (which is like working inside a crackerbox) Not a simple buy a nice vacuum and your set. I have a cheap Wally world vacuum w/dry wall bags that works nicely, not being cheap here. TY[/quote]

Sydney, Check out this link to Englanders service sheet
If I am looking at it correctly the intake is where his right hand is. Seems possible. Anyone want to tell me if vaccuming this from the outside is sufficient?

As far as the exaust blower, I took mine off a few weeks ago. Due to the fact my install is in the corner it was very difficult. Took at least 3 hours. Would have been easier with better ratchets I guess.