Stove brands between Harman and.... Englander?

[MCPO]

I have a Harman AND an Englander pellet stove . I truly like both but the Harman is without a doubt a significant step up but so isn`t it`s price. Few if any on this site would have anything negative to say about a Harman.
That said , almost all Englanders owners on this site are quite satisfied too and do not hesitate to give plenty of positive testament to Englanders products , especially the service ,which is often can be more important than any other considerations. My neighbor has the large PDV and I have the smaller PDVC and they have been running great for years now. Not the best pellet stove on the market but they never claimed to be either . Regardless, they aren`t too shabby at all for a box store product. I`d have no qualms buying another Englander pellet stove.

 

[BrotherBart]

I hate cabbage.

 

[stoveguy2esw]

i suppose i just have to weigh in on this

as most everyone knows i work for England's Stove Works. so i have an obvious bias.

that said i am a huge fan of Dane Harman and his products.

comparing the two is similar to comparing a rolls royce to a chevy truck.
Harmans are in a different market than we are. the stoves they produce are among the sharpest units out there. BUT , that kind of unit comes at a higher price, but you are undoubtably buying a high end product with a full service warranty (hence the higher sticker price)

we OTOH are the chevy truck. not as flashy as a rolls, but we can get you down the road just as well.

nothing wrong with either brand or sales niche. its just a "diferent strokes" situation

 

[stoveguy2esw]

I hate cabbage.

i LOVE cabbage

 

[Light in the Dark]

thanks for popping in on this Mike. I know how the OEM branding works (especially for how you offer the stoves to various big box and other retailers)... but just to clarify, there is zero difference between your lines past the printed literature branding, correct?

And you all are running this one off course. No one has other brands that fall between these two? I find that hard to believe.

 

[BrotherBart]

Criteria needed before "falls between" can be identified. And asking the question makes the questionable implication that Harman is the top and Englander is the bottom of some nebulous continuum.

 

[Light in the Dark]

My criteria was price. Are there lines out there that are less expensive than Englander/SH/TR?

 

[Light in the Dark]

Moreover... are there more expensive than Harman (that aren't boutique in nature)

 

[BrotherBart]

My criteria was price. Are there lines out there that are less expensive than Englander/SH/TR?

Pelpro, US Stove Company, Vogelzang, Castle Stove...

 

[Light in the Dark]

Ok... let me take this back. I am not considering overseas imported stoves. Sorry for the omission. US/Canadia manufactured is my scope.

 

[stoveguy2esw]

thanks for popping in on this Mike. I know how the OEM branding works (especially for how you offer the stoves to various big box and other retailers)... but just to clarify, there is zero difference between your lines past the printed literature branding, correct?

And you all are running this one off course. No one has other brands that fall between these two? I find that hard to believe.

yeah no biggie, i was kinda staying out of the way due to my involvement with one of the brands mentioned (i usually try to stay outta those fights) but i figured i'd at least pop in and say hi.

as for the differences between our 3 line names, the only difference is the trim package if any at all. the hull of the stove is exactly the same brand to brand.

 

[Light in the Dark]

Am I reading this right Mike... some of your stoves have ash drawers, and some don't? How exactly are these constructed? I am used to wood stoves, but I figure pellets aren't set up radically different. I am not in the market for a Harman (the budget is simply not there), but to me... if a stove burns a product, you have to make room for the ashes to continue the burn. Help a noob out.

 

[stoveguy2esw]

Am I reading this right Mike... some of your stoves have ash drawers, and some don't? How exactly are these constructed? I am used to wood stoves, but I figure pellets aren't set up radically different. I am not in the market for a Harman (the budget is simply not there), but to me... if a stove burns a product, you have to make room for the ashes to continue the burn. Help a noob out.

ash from pellets is produced at a much lesser rate than with log wood,
that said the units with ash drawers catch the ash in the drawer (for the most part) located in the lower part of the stove , on units without ash drawers there are ash collection areas which the ash mostly ends up in that would be vacuumed out or scooped out when the unit is cleaned.

the way pellet stoves work you have a small burning spot (burnpot) which has air shooting up through it this helps blow the ashes out as the pellets are burned, the ash then settles in other areas of the stove. after several days burning the stove would be shut down and cleaned, then refired for another burn cycle

 

[Arti]

Interesting thread.. Never owned a Harman mainly because when I talked to the local dealer he didn't really seem to know the heating business very well. With that said I've owned several pellet stoves over the past few years, Kept the St Croix, and the Country Side.

Sold the Breckwell's and will likely sell the Englander. Loved the Englander it's a great little stove (25pdvc) does everything well however I want the ability to burn corn, So with sadness the little 25pdvc will likely be sold this fall.

 

[Light in the Dark]

My local dealer, who happens to carry Harman, are complete expletives. I have given them ample chances to prove me wrong. They are scummy, greedy people. I won't do business with them. There is a reason I drove to Keene, NH versus 8 miles to my east.

 

[BrotherBart]

Yeah Harman makes a great stove. But that can go South fast when you have a bad dealer. Back before Dane sold to HHT there were a couple of years here on the forum where every Harman post was raising hell about having a dealer that wouldn't do anything about a problem and when Harman was called the poster was told to call the dealer.

Hope that has gotten better.

 

[Big papa]

No joke. Been running two ENGLANDER stoves since 2008 .No problems , and a super tech. support team .

Harman owners have the same support but don't use it near as much.the harman repairman Hangs out with the maytag repairman.

 

[sante fe]

You can't compare a Harman to an Englander.

 

[SKOAL MAN]

You can't compare a Harman to an Englander.

Sure we can, they are both stoves, they both burn pellets, one just costs about 9 tons of pellets more than the other!

 

[Big papa]

Sure we can, they are both stoves, they both burn pellets, one just costs about 9 tons of pellets more than the other!

And one burns about 9 tons more than the other

 

[BrotherBart]

Harman owners have the same support but don't use it near as much.the harman repairman Hangs out with the maytag repairman.

Says the guy that had his stove installed:

"Harman accentra 52i installed June 4, 2014"

 

[Big papa]

Yep

 

[Big papa]

Says the guy that had his stove installed:

"Harman accentra 52i installed June 4, 2014" [/quote new stove old burner good eye though

 

[Big papa]

Oops put that in your quote not sure how that happened

 

[Big papa]

Says the guy that had his stove installed:

"Harman accentra 52i installed June 4, 2014"

So wich one would be more efficient in your experience