Repeal EPA regs on gas can nozzles

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I have been looking at the billy goat commercial vacs for my landscaping company and was curious about real world performance on the different models available
Nope nothing that fancy. I found an old one cheap and it works well for us
 
Looks awesome but at the note of 28,000 bones I’m gonna have to pass for right now. I’ve never really been a fan of Briggs and straten motors either.

You said commercial, so I went big. My latest Little Wonder walk-behind has a Subaru EX 27 motor, and cost $1100. They make all sizes.

I didn’t know they offered Briggs engines at all. Last time I shopped them they were only available with Honda or Subaru. The Subaru powered blower models are less expensive and have better performance than the same model level in Honda.
 
You said commercial, so I went big. My latest Little Wonder walk-behind has a Subaru EX 27 motor, and cost $1100. They make all sizes.

I didn’t know they offered Briggs engines at all. Last time I shopped them they were only available with Honda or Subaru. The Subaru powered blower models are less expensive and have better performance than the same model level in Honda.
I’m a small landscaping company with 7 employees and 99% of our work is residential. I already have a 450 dump truck that I could frame up a chip box on. So 3500.00 for a billy goat sounds more realistic than the wonder unit. Interesting you like the Subaru of the Honda motors. My parents had a power washer with a Subaru motor and it was a piece of junk.
 
I’m a small landscaping company with 7 employees and 99% of our work is residential. I already have a 450 dump truck that I could frame up a chip box on. So 3500.00 for a billy goat sounds more realistic than the wonder unit. Interesting you like the Subaru of the Honda motors. My parents had a power washer with a Subaru motor and it was a piece of junk.
Given the choice i would go honda every time. But i do have a lawn tractor with a brigs vanguard engine in it and seems pretty good so far
 
Given the choice i would go honda every time. But i do have a lawn tractor with a brigs vanguard engine in it and seems pretty good so far
I agree with you 100%. The Honda gx models are indestructible. Like you my Ferris mower has a Briggs Vanguard twin on it. Other than a warrentied starter it’s been a good motor.
 
Interesting you like the Subaru of the Honda motors. My parents had a power washer with a Subaru motor and it was a piece of junk.
You misread me. I don't prefer Subaru over Honda, in fact I really don't have a strong preference, either way. I've owned a few of each, and have had zero issues with either. I was just pointing out that, in the particular case of the Little Wonder walk-behinds, the Subaru-powered versions were less costly for more performance on a model-for-model basis.
 
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I wonder if the head gaskets went bad? !
Not sure. It was a pos from the beginning. I would be willing it check out Subaru motors again though. I can’t shun the company over one bad experience. It’s just hard to stray from the trusty Honda engines.
 
We use to have tons of these when I was growing up. Wish I still had some.

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Going through the garage a while ago I discovered I had at least 4 older (plastic) 1 gallon containers. Gave one to my son who just bought a house. I do have a small one clearly labeled '2 cycle' for the chainsaw and other 2 stroke engines.
 
Not sure. It was a pos from the beginning. I would be willing it check out Subaru motors again though. I can’t shun the company over one bad experience. It’s just hard to stray from the trusty Honda engines.

Just kidding, sort of... the flat 4s have a reputation for head gasket failures. Yours was probably a different configuration. I've had many Subaru vehicles, if I kept the last few to 150k+ miles I would have likely needed to have the head gaskets replaced, but mine were very reliable. I only have an older truck now, at some point may get an older economical car, preferably with a manual transmission. Honda is definitely being considered for the reason you mentioned. But - Subarus still appeal to me.
 
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Just kidding, sort of... the flat 4s have a reputation for head gasket failures. Yours was probably a different configuration. I've had many Subaru vehicles, if I kept the last few to 150k+ miles I would have likely needed to have the head gaskets replaced, but mine were very reliable. I only have an older truck now, at some point may get an older economical car, preferably with a manual transmission. Honda is definitely being considered for the reason you mentioned. But - Subarus still appeal to me.
Different animal. We're talking about Robin motors, here. Not the inline 4's they put in cars.
 
Thought so. The Subaru engines in their vehicles are not inline, they're horizontally opposed.
 
Thought so. The Subaru engines in their vehicles are not inline, they're horizontally opposed.

I’ll believe you. Never owned a Subaru car. Of course, if the Europeans keep dropping manual trans from their USA exports, I may be shopping Subaru soon.

Just changed oil on my wife’s Volvo (turbo 5-cyl) last night. Each time I do it (3x/year), I am reminded how much I hate Swedish engineers.
 
I’ll believe you. Never owned a Subaru car. Of course, if the Europeans keep dropping manual trans from their USA exports, I may be shopping Subaru soon.

Just changed oil on my wife’s Volvo (turbo 5-cyl) last night. Each time I do it (3x/year), I am reminded how much I hate Swedish engineers.

I also prefer manual transmissions. Unfortunately they're getting rare even in Subarus. I think the 2019 Foresters will only be available with the CVT. For a few years now the Outbacks and Legacys are only CVTs in the U.S.

Interesting re: the oil change! Years ago I had a '79 Saab, don't recall if I ever changed the oil myself. That was a 4 speed manual, no tach - but at highway speeds the engine was likely over 3000 rpm.
 
Interesting re: the oil change! Years ago I had a '79 Saab, don't recall if I ever changed the oil myself. That was a 4 speed manual, no tach - but at highway speeds the engine was likely over 3000 rpm.
My mother owned two Saab 900’s and one Saab 9000 (or whatever they changed those models to in later years). Those cars had absolutely no redeeming qualities:

1. Not fast
2. Handled more like a truck than a sporty coupe/sedan
3. Not comfortable
4. Not very good in the snow
5. Not sexy
6. Turbo lag & surge that was downright frightening

Re: Volvo, they decided to be clever, and not use the disposable canister type oil filter that every other car manufacturer has used for 40 years. Instead, you buy a filter element, that goes into their reusable canister. It’s a friggin’ mess, and you have to take apart the air intake assembly just to access it. There is also an aluminum crush washer on the oil plug that one is supposed to replace at every oil change and torque to precisely 28 lb-ft, but they don’t supply one with the filter, and no auto parts stores stock them (special order or dealer item only). Stupid, stupid, stupid. American car makers have figured this out on cars that cost less than half as much... but I have to admit that Volvo is about the most fun one can have in a sports wagon, and the headlights are brighter than the noon-time sun. I’d have preferred an A4 Quattro or 328 X-Drive, if either maker provided one with a manual trans in a sports wagon, but they don’t.
 
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My mother owned two Saab 900’s and one Saab 9000 (or whatever they changed those models to in later years). Those cars had absolutely no redeeming qualities:...

Then that may explain why the older Saabs I see for sale are quite inexpensive. I've been looking for an older (even 15 yrs) economical car with a manual transmission. High miles are OK as I have a company van. I have an old pickup truck now, it's been useful for firewood and other uses - but it would be nice to have a car.

There was a Saab several years ago that actually had a Subaru engine, don't recall the model. It was a Saab version of the Subaru Impreza. I just remembered - thinking of 2-stroke engines and gas containers, Saab made a 3 cylinder 2-stroke years ago. Then they had a V4, which was actually a European or British Ford engine. I always challenged my friends to start my '79 99GL within a minute after handing them the keys. None ever did - they weren't able to locate the ignition between the seats on the floor next to the shift lever.
 
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My mother owned two Saab 900’s and one Saab 9000 (or whatever they changed those models to in later years). Those cars had absolutely no redeeming qualities:

1. Not fast
2. Handled more like a truck than a sporty coupe/sedan
3. Not comfortable
4. Not very good in the snow
5. Not sexy
6. Turbo lag & surge that was downright frightening

Re: Volvo, they decided to be clever, and not use the disposable canister type oil filter that every other car manufacturer has used for 40 years. Instead, you buy a filter element, that goes into their reusable canister. It’s a friggin’ mess, and you have to take apart the air intake assembly just to access it. There is also an aluminum crush washer on the oil plug that one is supposed to replace at every oil change and torque to precisely 28 lb-ft, but they don’t supply one with the filter, and no auto parts stores stock them (special order or dealer item only). Stupid, stupid, stupid. American car makers have figured this out on cars that cost less than half as much... but I have to admit that Volvo is about the most fun one can have in a sports wagon, and the headlights are brighter than the noon-time sun. I’d have preferred an A4 Quattro or 328 X-Drive, if either maker provided one with a manual trans in a sports wagon, but they don’t.
Many cars went back to just pleated filters with a reusable canister. My wifes previous 2 cars a mazda 6 and a jetta both had them. Didnt make much difference to me. But the filter should be cheaper because it is just the filter with no case. But it isnt. And most oil plug gaskets are supposed to be replaced every time just no one does.
 
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Then that may explain why the older Saabs I see for sale are quite inexpensive. I've been looking for an older (even 15 yrs) economical car with a manual transmission. High miles are OK as I have a company van. I have an old pickup truck now, it's been useful for firewood and other uses - but it would be nice to have a car.

There was a Saab several years ago that actually had a Subaru engine, don't recall the model. It was a Saab version of the Subaru Impreza. I just remembered - thinking of 2-stroke engines and gas containers, Saab made a 3 cylinder 2-stroke years ago. Then they had a V4, which was actually a European or British Ford engine. I always challenged my friends to start my '79 99GL within a minute after handing them the keys. None ever did - they weren't able to locate the ignition between the seats on the floor next to the shift lever.
It was not just a subaru engine the whole car was a subaru impreza. Some of them were wrx also. You can actually pick one of them up cheaper than a wrx. But you have the same issues that all subarus have. I just cant beleive they have not addressed the head gasket issue yet. Any other company with a serious flaw like that would get all kinds of crap for it. But subaru fans dont care.
 
It was not just a subaru engine the whole car was a subaru impreza. Some of them were wrx also. You can actually pick one of them up cheaper than a wrx. But you have the same issues that all subarus have. I just cant beleive they have not addressed the head gasket issue yet. Any other company with a serious flaw like that would get all kinds of crap for it. But subaru fans dont care.

That's the thing - Subaru fans don't care. I don't know whats wrong with me - but I'd like to own a Subaru again with a manual transmission. But - I need something that can go 200+k miles without much concern. My truck likely can, but you typically don't hear of Subarus going that long without the head gaskets failing. I always liked Volvos, but not leather seats. Do any Volvos have cloth seats? Haven't seen any yet. I occasionally look on Craigslist for older Subarus with the 2.2L engine, those I believe are 'closed deck' which typically don't have the head gasket issues. Those I find though, are as expected usually in rough shape.

As for oil changes - very easy on the Subarus. The filter was close to the front of the engine, easily accessed underneath after removing the plastic shield. I still have a PH3593 filter I never used.
 
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I always liked Volvos, but not leather seats. Do any Volvos have cloth seats? Haven't seen any yet.
Wow... that’s like saying you like Jello brand instant pudding, but not Creme Brûlée. I live with cloth seats in my pickup truck, but only because it’s a truck, I’d never buy a car with anything but leather. Heck, I usually pay for the upgraded better grade leather (eg. Laguna leather vs. Nappa or Alcantara). The Volvo leather is not as soft as what’s in my other cars, but it is durable.
 
Wow... that’s like saying you like Jello brand instant pudding, but not Creme Brûlée. I live with cloth seats in my pickup truck, but only because it’s a truck, I’d never buy a car with anything but leather. Heck, I usually pay for the upgraded better grade leather (eg. Laguna leather vs. Nappa or Alcantara). The Volvo leather is not as soft as what’s in my other cars, but it is durable.

Along with that trend - I don't even know what Creme Brulee is! (How in the world did you enter the punctuation above the u and e?) Sounds luxurious though. I know I'm in the minority - also the vehicles I buy are with cash and older. By the time I'd consider them, the leather seats are usually worn and cracked. The Honda Pilot I had that I traded in last June for an older pickup truck had leather. Got the EX-L because heated seats (only in leather) came standard. I was used to heated cloth seats in several Subarus I had.

I know leather has advantages. I realized one last summer - the Pilot had a sunroof, an option I never had before. I left it open once overnight - poured the next morning. A towel took care of the water well enough.
 
Am I the only person who never uses the nozzle? I can't rememer the last time I didn't just screw it off and dump my gas right from the can.
 
Am I the only person who never uses the nozzle? I can't rememer the last time I didn't just screw it off and dump my gas right from the can.

I do that with my zero turn, the mouth on the gas tank must be 3” diameter. But on machines with a 1.5” gas tank cap, I prefer to use the nozzle.