Quad Classic Bay chewing up snap disks like that's its job

[heat seeker]

Yeah, the CRT was just a huge capacitor! I learned to always short them to ground before working in there, and I'd get some serious sparks (power off).

 

[tjnamtiw]

Yeah, the CRT was just a huge capacitor! I learned to always short them to ground before working in there, and I'd get some serious sparks (power off).

Yep, exactly! It is a big capacitor. I won't ask you how you learned to short them out before working on it.......

 

[heat seeker]

Yeah, the CRT was just a huge capacitor! I learned to always short them to ground before working in there, and I'd get some serious sparks (power off).

Yep, exactly! It is a big capacitor. I won't ask you how you learned to short them out before working on it.......

Experience. Other peoples'. Once I heard that "crack", I knew there was some serious juice there. I prefer to learn from other peoples' mistakes, although I've made plenty of my own. :ahhh:

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

Yeah, the CRT was just a huge capacitor! I learned to always short them to ground before working in there, and I'd get some serious sparks (power off).

Yep, exactly! It is a big capacitor. I won't ask you how you learned to short them out before working on it.......

Experience. Other peoples'. Once I heard that "crack", I knew there was some serious juice there. I prefer to learn from other peoples' mistakes, although I've made plenty of my own. :ahhh:

I watched someone who knew better go sailing across the room.

 

[tjnamtiw]

Yeah, the CRT was just a huge capacitor! I learned to always short them to ground before working in there, and I'd get some serious sparks (power off).

Yep, exactly! It is a big capacitor. I won't ask you how you learned to short them out before working on it.......

Experience. Other peoples'. Once I heard that "crack", I knew there was some serious juice there. I prefer to learn from other peoples' mistakes, although I've made plenty of my own. :ahhh:

I watched someone who knew better go sailing across the room.

It is amazing to see that happen. All those muscles just go tense at the same time and away you go. Like someone said earlier, most of the damage is done 'LEAVING' the TV set!! And how gracefully you land!

 

[goathead]

Well I can tell you I installed three of them and only snugged them up, I didn't really crank them down. Not sure if that's too tight, but I wouldn't expect that it would be...I should make a poll out of this!

Ah yes a pool, were the ones you replaced with the last few times ceramic or the plastic/bakelite crud.

All the discs I pulled and put in were metal, not ceramic. Just like a flat metal disc with the leads coming off them and the flange to screw it down. Two were brand new and the other her pulled out of a working stove in the showroom.

 

[heat seeker]

Maybe too much current being drawn through them - but the one I put in my stove is good for 25 amps, so yours probably is, too. This is a puzzler...

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

Well I can tell you I installed three of them and only snugged them up, I didn't really crank them down. Not sure if that's too tight, but I wouldn't expect that it would be...I should make a poll out of this!

Ah yes a pool, were the ones you replaced with the last few times ceramic or the plastic/bakelite crud.

All the discs I pulled and put in were metal, not ceramic. Just like a flat metal disc with the leads coming off them and the flange to screw it down. Two were brand new and the other her pulled out of a working stove in the showroom.

Then do what humpin iron suggested and hit the disc with a match outside of the stove hooked to a multimeter set to read resistance, you should get your answer fast.

 

[goathead]

Well I can tell you I installed three of them and only snugged them up, I didn't really crank them down. Not sure if that's too tight, but I wouldn't expect that it would be...I should make a poll out of this!

Ah yes a pool, were the ones you replaced with the last few times ceramic or the plastic/bakelite crud.

All the discs I pulled and put in were metal, not ceramic. Just like a flat metal disc with the leads coming off them and the flange to screw it down. Two were brand new and the other her pulled out of a working stove in the showroom.

Then do what humpin iron suggested and hit the disc with a match outside of the stove hooked to a multimeter set to read resistance, you should get your answer fast.

Excellent idea. I'll try this tomorrow.

 

[tjnamtiw]

And if you still have them, do the same thing to the ones you think were bad. Since this has happened since your stove was new, maybe there is something else going on here.

 

[B-Mod]

tj must be off nappin!

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Fan On Temp. (F) 90 to 130
Fan Off Temp. (F) 70 to 110

;-) :cheese: No, Saturday night football!!
My original snap disk #1 was a 120 but some are lower at 110.. That first one is the one I have now that turns the fan on at about 100 degrees now and it won't shut off until every bit of heat is out of the stove. It wasn't my idea last year to get it. I am ashamed to say I forget who it was that suggested it. I hope he forgives me because we worked together along with a few others to suck every bit of heat out of the tubes by putting springs and turbulators in them. I'm sure you followed my experiments.

Oh, one other thing. The new snap disk is bigger than the stock one and you'll have to drill new holes for the sheet metal screws. Also, I used a surface pyrometer and located the first spot to get hot enough to trigger the switch and relocated it there. On the Castile it's on the right side up in the top of the 'triangle' of sheet metal. On the Sante Fe, there's not much room to relocate.

I will forgive you, lol. I am using your spring deal, so we are even, lol. Fired up the ole castile the last few nights. Been in the 20's at night, 40's and 50's during the day. Still burning corn, as I have enough here for two years or so. In the spring, I am going to plant my own (I have too much free time, lol). We will see how that goes. Any new ideas on mods for these stoves?

 

[tjnamtiw]

Of course, B-mod!! Senility really sucks! No, nothing new coming to mind other than getting my sorry but up on the roof to install an OAK on my second stove. No ash cleanout on that fireplace so no choice but to come down the chimney. Got the parts but not the energy. 34 degrees here tonight and in the 30 for the next 4-5 days at night. I'm running the Sante Fe on low.
I don't know what else we can do to suck more heat out of these little stoves.

 

[B-Mod]

Of course, B-mod!! Senility really sucks! No, nothing new coming to mind other than getting my sorry but up on the roof to install an OAK on my second stove. No ash cleanout on that fireplace so no choice but to come down the chimney. Got the parts but not the energy. 34 degrees here tonight and in the 30 for the next 4-5 days at night. I'm running the Sante Fe on low.
I don't know what else we can do to suck more heat out of these little stoves.

Any luck on the turbulators? Any improvements over your spring setup? I have no oak on mine, I have a few plans, but no time. I have a ton of outside work to get done, and I still have a corn boiler project, and infloor heat project to finish.
My little castile is keeping the house warm on low with the the snap disk mod, spring mod, and the convection fan wired on high speed...........Brian

 

[tjnamtiw]

Any luck on the turbulators? Any improvements over your spring setup? I have no oak on mine, I have a few plans, but no time. I have a ton of outside work to get done, and I still have a corn boiler project, and infloor heat project to finish.
My little castile is keeping the house warm on low with the the snap disk mod, spring mod, and the convection fan wired on high speed...........Brian

I was able to get enough turbulators for one stove so I did my testing in the Castile. They improved heat transfer one extra leap. I wish I had another set. Probably make them this winter. Since I use the Sante Fe harder than the Castile, I will be moving them to that stove when I get a chance.

I'm running both stoves with springs too The Castile has your convection blower mod but not the Sante Fe. One more thing I put off all summer! I'm restoring an old 1930's Sears wood fired cook stove that I'm going to put in a small basement finished room that has a separate flue not being used. That will let me play with some sheet metal and the mig welder. There's a ton of work outside waiting for me too. I feel like trimming all my bushes at ground level and eliminate that problem!

 

[goathead]

Just an update, I had to reschedule the tech looking at the stove until this Wed thanks to our Nor'easter that left me without power for 7 (yes 7) days. I'll post back when I found out the problem.

 

[goathead]

Ok, she's back up and running and I found out some interesting information while the tech was here. Sounds like there is a bit of a design issue with where/how the snap disc is located. He had 4 calls all with the same problem in one week and spoke to Quadrafire about them. All of our stoves were bought within a few months of each other, late 2010-early 2011. The snap disc on the inserts is located on the left side in the sheet metal but it actually sits about 1" away from the firebox itself unlike the stand alone stoves where the snap disc rests against it the box. Quadrafire addresses the temp difference by using a 145 degree snap disc in the stand alone model and a 125 degree snap disc in the insert. The problem with the insert is if you get any draft that disrupts the air between the sheet metal and the firebox, it reduces the temperature for the snap disc and the fan will not come on.

Quadrafire's recommendation was to dimple the side of the stove to move the snap disc closer to the fire box so that it would reach the temp sooner and swap the location with the other snap disc on that side. The guy fixing the stove is looking into a more permanent solution like a lower temp snap disc. He's thinking 110 would do it. He said to try this for a bit and if it doesn't work, that's the next step.

So, in the end I did have one or two bad snap discs but ultimately the problem was that the snap disc was not getting up to temp so it would never come on. We'll see how this goes.

 

[nikeseer]

I have heard of bad snap disks but since I have been a Quad dealer we have not had one go bad on any stove we have sold. knock on wood. I would call the dealer because this is a warranty item. if you use other brands it could void the warranty.

Eric

Hi Eric,

I'm sorry to piggy back on an older thread. A few questions for you. Quadrafire Classic Bay Insert 1200. Convection blower. My fathers is getting up to temp to drop pellets and the blower comes on then goes off. He says it does this. That doesn't seem correct to me. I have the CAB50 and once she drops pellets and gets up to temp then gets hot enough her convection blower goes on and stays on till the cycle is done. The exhaust blower will finish its cycle then off till the next time the thermostat calls for heat. I was at their house today and its hot enough to drop fuel and the blower was on then off and still dropping fuel but I never heard the blower go back on. He checked the snap disc 1 and unplugged and re plugged it back in and now the blower is working again. Does the blower (convection) work on and off like that during ONE cycle? I think not. Please clarify. Thank you soooo much

 

[kinsmanstoves]

Hi Eric,

I'm sorry to piggy back on an older thread. A few questions for you. Quadrafire Classic Bay Insert 1200. Convection blower. My fathers is getting up to temp to drop pellets and the blower comes on then goes off. He says it does this. That doesn't seem correct to me. I have the CAB50 and once she drops pellets and gets up to temp then gets hot enough her convection blower goes on and stays on till the cycle is done. The exhaust blower will finish its cycle then off till the next time the thermostat calls for heat. I was at their house today and its hot enough to drop fuel and the blower was on then off and still dropping fuel but I never heard the blower go back on. He checked the snap disc 1 and unplugged and re plugged it back in and now the blower is working again. Does the blower (convection) work on and off like that during ONE cycle? I think not. Please clarify. Thank you soooo much

I have found on a few of the 1200I that the snap disk is not getting enough heat from the stove to "snap". What I have done is move the snap disk closer to the unit. This can be done be bending the metal that is attached too.

Eric