The Weimar
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Thats the one Maple1....
3 cubic feet, is that not very small? I could probably get in the firebox on the EClassic 2400......not with it running though........well, maybe.
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3 cubic feet, is that not very small? I could probably get in the firebox on the EClassic 2400......not with it running though........well, maybe.
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I remember those days Fred, mine was a dog house sized joint. As it turns out, I am back in the doghouse at the moment, I asked the Mrs to load up the furnace because I wouldn't be home til' late and she growled at me.
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The Central boiler 6048 has a fire box that is 60 cubic feet. Yeah I am real impressed when guys with those tell me "It will go 24 hours on a fill"
Yes my Econoburn 200 has a 8 cu ft fire box. 23"X21"X29". One fill would do many of the days. Sub zero with wind probably 2 fills. Yesterday was one of the coldest day we've had. I burned 200 lbs of wood. Biggest burn for the year.
That would be less than the equivalent of 4.5 pieces of cherry 13" diameter 17" long at 20% moisture, split it to smaller pieces.
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GG, I did not mean to diminish the fact that your Econoburn is a better piece of equipment than my CB, only wanted to point out that the firebox seems relatively small. In all honesty, if I could trade my CB in and purchase an Econoburn, EKO or ANY other gasifier, I would. I like (jealous) the fact that you have a weight metric on how much wood you burn, I will be keeping track of that next season, upon the purchase of a scale suitable for this duty. I load up at 6 am and 6 pm, with approximately 15 "typical" splits, 20 to 24 inches long, at each loading. Maybe 200 lbs?
I am by no means saying what is best. I was just giving firebox sizes for a comparison. After using mine for 5 years I have several areas that it could definitely be improved on. Anyone here that tells you there brand of boiler is with out faults is not being completely truthful, Well unless maybe they have a Froling.
Even then one malfunction and the need to replace the control system and it might not be so sweet after that.
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Couldn't agree with you more, GG. Check out my thread regarding my thoughts on CB and you will see how I feel about my OWB being the " best".
Having said all that and agreeing with you 110 percent.... You still have a small firebox....heehee
Thread title is eclassic 2400 probs....that says it all, eh?
Having said all that and agreeing with you 110 percent.... You still have a small firebox....heehee
Thread title is eclassic 2400 probs....that says it all, eh?
I have been doing research like crazy and I think I have settled on getting a P&M BL2840. I do have one concern about how much smoke is released when the fire is at idle. Does the improvements with the fire brick and the way the heat exchanger is designed help reduce smoke? I fully understand all fires smoke at first startup but, I'm wondering how it is after the fire is established.
Can anyone let me know what to expect with this boiler setup?
Can anyone let me know what to expect with this boiler setup?
You are going to like it. Smoke at idle is minimal. Mine will smoke when you first put wood in it until the wood dries out. They have a very fast recovery time.
if I were going to do an owb I would buy a P & M. That being said I would just go indoors with storage for the same price and be able to load and maintain inside and have the convince of storage. I have les in my shed boiler and storage than the price of the P & M. I do have a lot more time and work in it though. I modified propane tanks, built the shed and plumbed everything.
A new p&m bl2840 is $8300. I just talked to a guy at p&m about my water sample and asked him how much they were. Now thats just for the stove itself. How much do you have in your complete install and building woodmaster?
I have around $9,500 in it with 60 k boiler, 12 X 14 x 12 tall insulated shed, chimney, plumbing, 2 - 500 gallon tanks and 125 gallon homemade expansion tank. I was thinking the P & M was closer to $10,000
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I also had the stuff laying around for the roof , so if i didn't have that it would have been about $200 more. I wouldnt have had to make the shed as big as I did, but wanted my tanks vertical. I also have room to store a cord of wood in the shed and a kindling box. I could have got bywith a 12 x 12 x 8 tall shed if I put my tanks horizontal and didn't want any room to store wood.
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I also had the stuff laying around for the roof , so if i didn't have that it would have been about $200 more. I wouldnt have had to make the shed as big as I did, but wanted my tanks vertical. I also have room to store a cord of wood in the shed and a kindling box. I could have got bywith a 12 x 12 x 8 tall shed if I put my tanks horizontal and didn't want any room to store wood.
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Thats not to bad then. We have about the same cost of the boiler and installment. I give $7900 for the boiler and have close to $2500 in everything for the installment and thats not skimping on anything. I said to my self, i am doing this once so do it right the first time
Pretty darn close for a Traditional OWB vs Gasifier with storage.
Woodmaster, I think you might have been thinking of the P&M gasifier. The BL is a traditional style, though a very nicely designed one.
gg
Woodmaster, I think you might have been thinking of the P&M gasifier. The BL is a traditional style, though a very nicely designed one.
gg
Yep, That's why I went the route I did. Figured for the same money, why not ?[/quote]
maple1
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You'd have to somehow factor in the gasser shed being able to hold some wood - under cover, dry & warm. Definite benefits there. If it's big enough to hold the whole winters wood - even moreso. If I was doing a boiler outside my house, it would be an indoor gasser in a shed big enough to hold the entire winters wood - with storage likely in the basement. OWB setups that leave the wood outside in the ice & snow & whatever else are a bit behind the 8-ball just from that.
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