Polar G2 Plus Downdraft Boiler

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I have limited experience with my polar, but have been burning wood in my indoor boiler furnace for the last 25 years. It was a Benjamin made in Nova Scotia. The reason I went with the Polar was the simplicity ( the controls of the unit are simliar to what my old unit had and have been around for 60 years. The temperature controllers do not require electricity to function. I like tech as much as the next guy , but I do appreciate the simplicity. Place an arlo next to the temperature gauge on the side to see the temperatures anytime thru the web.
If you want to knoiw the strenghts on the Portage and Main and Polars versus the others call that number again and ask for Brian, ( you will see him on some of the Youtube videos),,,,, anyway they all seem to refer to him for tech questions. I bought from them direct as there are no dealers in my area for the units.
Will do. Thanks Dave. I have been looking at the P & M for quite a few years. I really like their design. The ability to unbolt the water jacket and replace it makes a lot of sense. I moved into this place two years ago. Has a Buderus boiler inside that really does a decent job of heating the building. The small firebox is an issue and the fact that the previous owner installed it on a loft 10 feet up. I have a Genie lift to crank wood up there. I'm eying the Polar to put under my woodshed roof attached to the back of the building. Same wall as the Buderus so I can tie into the existing system.
 
If you want to knoiw the strenghts on the Portage and Main and Polars versus the others call that number again and ask for Brian, ( you will see him on some of the Youtube videos),,,,, anyway they all seem to refer to him for tech questions. I bought from them direct as there are no dealers in my area for the units.
I agree that Polar makes a nice simple boiler. It’s a lot heavier than most of the competitors, but I’m not sure if that means anything. As I understand it, P&M bought Polar. They are made in a Hutterite community in Canada.

When you talk to Brian ask him who approves and disapproves warranty repairs. I’d also be interested to know why they have a SS firebox but the rest of the boiler is made out of a boiler plate steel. Doesn’t make sense to me but I’m not a metallurgist by any stretch of the means.
 
I have a Polar G2 and was wondering how you have been using the settings for the Primary and Secondary air opening in the back of the stove. These are set manually, and I was wondering if you have had some experience at what to set the air opening gaps at ( 0 - 100) for the two sources of air. Currently burning wood at the 16% moisture content, so wanted your suggestions of what you have found best to set these at. From the factory it came set for both at 50 (Primary) and 50 (secondary)
 
@Davematthews I have played around with my G2+ and factory is the best with dry wood, although it should be 50 primary 40 secondary, if I get into a little wetter wood I open the primary up to 55 and that runs good. If you are running at 50 secondary you are probably pushing a bit too much heat up the flue, I find that higher secondary doesn't increase flue temp and actually seems to lower transfer to the water, I think, and just a guess, that it accelerates the flue gas velocity enough that it loses some transfer ability. Make sure you keep the easy sweep moved every day and it moves freely, also check your fan a couple times a year and clean it, I run all year, but I have 1500 gallon of storage as well, I cleaned my fan in the spring and once more before I turned the heat on in the house.
 
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Thought I'd do a quick update.

Polar Furnace G2plus has been treating me well this heating season. The boiler is similar to the Fröling but an open system that is both indoor UL and outdoor approved. Stack temperatures never above 275f. Usually cruises around 250f.

Reloads are Smokeless and convenient, easy sweep takes a flip of the finger.

What I have noticed is very little amount of ash needs to be removed every couple of weeks even with Poplar wood. Which is all I used in the shoulder season.

Definitely recommend this unit for anyone considering a gasser.

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How long had it been since you cleaned that ash? Maybe it's just the species you're burning? I will have like a 1/2" after 2 weeks. Also, its interesting how large the space is between the ceramic and the boiler walls. There's only like 1" or less on the Froling FHG.
 
Here is an honest review of the Polar G2 Plus. We purchased the Polar G2 Plus from a NW Wisconsin Dealer. After several trips from the installer who was new it finally was installed with my help. The dealer told me not to pay too much attention to the manual and said he would come back to show us what we needed to know. The dealer only lives about 10 miles away but unfortunately after leaving him voice mails he never responded. The unit was sold to us as being the best on the market and we were told all the other available EPA stoves had problems with corrosion, warranty issues etc. Upon reading the manual we found out the wood requirements are under 6" and very dry with specifications made and a moisture meter provided.

We have only used wood that meets the specificiations provided in the manual and measured on the meter. The winter is nearly over and it has been a real challenge to pick through our wood piles and find small dry wood. I ended up having to split most of it by hand. We made several calls to the company who answered our questions. I wish our dealer would have told us we needed to be more prepared with having 2-3 yr old wood and then we would have waited a year when our wood was really dry. Comparing the stove to our previous conventional boiler, the Polar uses about 25% - 35% less wood.

Drawbacks include about 75% more areas to clean and maintain and electricity inefficiency. This unit draws twice as much electricity as our previous similar sized conventional unit made in 2003. It costs us around $50/month to run compared to our previous similar sized outdoor boiler that used around $25 of electricity per month. We were told by our local sales person that the fan is more efficient than our previous model and is variable speed but it only runs on one speed when cycling. We are wondering about changing the factory settings which according to manual do include a lower fan speed. We clean out all areas of the front of the unit every 4-5 days, sweep the heat exchanger twice per day, and have checked but have not yet had to clean out the heat exchanger compartment. Every week I scrape down the steel and the 3 doors of gaskets on the inside to remove accumulating creosote to keep the unit as clean and efficient as possible. We set up the unit with all factory parts included including the short stack and cap. The unit puts out a lot of black debris that is all over the roof sections. Even though our wood meets the moisture requirements in the manual measured by the moisture meter, the company told me that the debris is from moisture in the wood and that I should remove the stack cap. We also were wondering about cleaning the stack which is not mentioned in the manual and were told by the company that we should clean this at the end of the season. Apparently access to the stack is behind the fan that also has to be removed and cleaned. We can see some the inside plates are warping (bulging in) and hope we can get at least a few seasons out of the unit before having to call the company and paying for these, removing the old ones, and installing the new ones. I cleaned the stack of my old unit every 3 weeks, it was really easy, it took only about 1 minute once I had the brush set up. In general we find this to be a very good solid stove.

To use it efficiently you really need very dry hard wood that is cut around 4" in diameter with lots of smaller pieces in between. We find the stove works best if we layer about 4-6" of long kindling front to back on the bottom over a really good coal bed and then gradually build it up with larger pieces around 4" with only a few up to 5-6" and then mix in smaller ones. Using short pieces is not a good idea because they can block the bottom slot fan intake area. Because we get all our wood for free (we work for it), the actual net cost of using the G3 Plus is significantly greater than our previous conventional 2003 outdoor wood boiler because it requires significantly more electricity to run. We find the stove works best with wood around 24" long.

In summary, to use this stove effectively, the process of harvest, cutting, splitting, and curing wood needs to be carefully planned 2-3 years before this stove is operated. The glass sight glass (to view the flame in the burn tube below) has been covered by creosote residue since the first firing in the fall. This feature sounds like a really great way to view the bottom chamber but the small size and location only a few inches above the level of the base of the stove makes it really awkward and since our glass has been covered over since we started using it, this is a feature we have not been about to use. Because the glass is toward the outside of the door that is around 3" thick, it would take a special tool to get into the space and properly clean it with fireplace glass cleaner. We will send another report after it has been cleaned in the spring. We did not use the stove in the fall shoulder season and have only used it when the high temperatures were below 25 degrees F. We started using the stove in early December and plan on shutting it down before the end of March or when the high temperatures are above 25 degrees F. The stove works best in the coldest weather. Burn cycles get too long in warmer weather when the stove is likely to smolder and go out. We find using even smaller wood in the warmer weather above zero works better. The unit also comes with a really nice array of cleaning tools, a shovel, and scoop. Bill
So, I cant help but think the deposits are being cause by the machine going into slumber. I believe what you are doing is over loading the machine with wood and its idling along, all choked down. Do you have a thermal storage tank? Does your boiler tell you if its entering slumber mode?

These boilers are not built to operate like a traditional wood stove. You only put the amount of wood you need to recharge the storage tank. If you have a small tank or put way too much wood in them they enter idle or slumber mode and create a lot of creosote.
 
How long had it been since you cleaned that ash? Maybe it's just the species you're burning? I will have like a 1/2" after 2 weeks. Also, its interesting how large the space is between the ceramic and the boiler walls. There's only like 1" or less on the Froling FHG.

In that picture not burning the best wood so I end up with more ash. Majority of the wood is shelter belt that the bark got pounded years by the wind/dirt. When I use Tamarack which I really like to burn I don't get much ash at all.

Never measured the nozzle spacing but thinking is very close to 2" or just shy of that.
 
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Thought I'd do a quick update.

Polar Furnace G2plus has been treating me well this heating season. The boiler is similar to the Fröling but an open system that is both indoor UL and outdoor approved. Stack temperatures never above 275f. Usually cruises around 250f.

Reloads are Smokeless and convenient, easy sweep takes a flip of the finger.

What I have noticed is very little amount of ash needs to be removed every couple of weeks even with Poplar wood. Which is all I used in the shoulder season.

Definitely recommend this unit for anyone considering a gasser.

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Did you have to put in a heat exchanger in because it’s an open system