Pellet Consumption this week..

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Agree on looks. So let's approve Keystone and we can burn oil purchased from people who sometimes even like us. BTW, thanks to fracking we're burning lots less middle-Eastern oil. Using all of our energy resources we can be energy independent in short order
I am happy to argue points of this, but in the interest of not hijacking the thread, why not start another one for just that purpose, if Lake Girl, Bart, etc., will allow it? Then those who don't want to listen to us can just ignore us, and we can whallop each other in good ole' debate all we want, without bothering others?
 
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Agree on looks. So let's approve Keystone and we can burn oil purchased from people who sometimes even like us. BTW, thanks to fracking we're burning lots less middle-Eastern oil. Using all of our energy resources we can be energy independent in short order if we just get politics out of the way.
I agree, But it is still only a temporary solution. We have to learn not to rely on exhaustable resources. Unfortunately we have demonstrated, repeatedly that we won't do anything about our energy supply until there is none.
 
Consumption last night:
5lbs/hour
 
I don't know. I have a box that holds a ton and it feeds the boiler automatically. There is a line on the control panel that supposedly shows consumption in hundreths of a ton. I think I'll start recording daily usage.
 
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A bag at 8200 BTU/lb is 328,000 BTU. A gallon of oil is 140,000 BTU. A bag is equal to 2.34 Gallons. The oil is still about the same cost as pellets. I have neglected efficiency.

There are other reasons for burning pellets. The biggest being, I would rather use a renewable resource than burn a fossil fuel that we have to purchase from people that hate us. Besides, I just like the way it looks.
Harvey, I was burning pellets, two bags for the day. The burner has a .65 gallon per hour nozzle in it. The first time it came on it burned about 40 minutes ( cast iron radiators) and that was about 3 am temp set at 69. The second time it came on was around 10am and it ran maybe 30 minutes temp set at 72. That was it for the day. The stove was in Stove temp mode. Around noon the outdoor temp got up over 10 deg and I switched the stove back to room temp 72 deg. The house has been 73 deg all winter at that setting and last winter as well ( pellets only).. Other than my foray into stove temp the other night and letting the oil take over I have used no oil in a year to heat the main house. Give me a break !! I used a lousy gallon, I don't think the planet is going to evaporate over that.
 
2-1/2 bags a day running quad on high.
 
I am happy to argue points of this, but in the interest of not hijacking the thread, why not start another one for just that purpose, if Lake Girl, Bart, etc., will allow it? Then those who don't want to listen to us can just ignore us, and we can whallop each other in good ole' debate all we want, without bothering others?
No thanks. I have my opinions, you have yours and we could debate until we've turned every tree into sawdust and pellets and sucked every drop of oil out of the ground, which won't happen either, without changing any minds much less ours but thanks for the suggestion.
 
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You cannot lump the mixed fuel burners into that equation because we aren't running straight pellets so the amount is different, actually less with a corn/pellet mix than straight pellets...... just say'in.

Electric (resistance) heat sounds scary expensive in any region.
If you were referring to my rough table, I excluded those who were also burning corn.
 
So, just an update now that we're up to about 60 posts. I tried not to double count as several have posted multiple comments on their burn rate, like Harvey. I also rounded up when people gave ranges. Also, Harvey's the only non-boiler or furnace that has burned over 2.75 bags on average thru this cold snap.

1 bag = 1 person
1.33 bags = 3 people
1.5 bags = 6 people
2 bags = 8 people
2.25 bags = 2 people
2.5 bags = 6 people
2.75 bags = 1 person
3 bags = 1 person
3.67 bags = 2 people
5 bags = 1 person, elevenMracing

Basically all the heavy burners were using pellet furnaces or boilers and heating multiple units or shops, etc. And, once again, anyone burning less than 3 bags a day in a stove on the coldest days, which is everyone, including Harvey, can get away with a stove in the less than 50k btu range. That's 120 lbs, or a 5 lb/hr rate, or ~40k btus/hr. Of course, as bioburner mentioned, having a little headroom may be useful to the function of your stove.
 
Yes and the fact that you are running two stoves pays off too !.
Not really. My house really is like two separate houses, almost like a townhouse. When the temps drop below 30*, I shut a door between the two halves, effectively separating the heating systems.
 
A bag at 8200 BTU/lb is 328,000 BTU. A gallon of oil is 140,000 BTU. A bag is equal to 2.34 Gallons. The oil is still about the same cost as pellets. I have neglected efficiency.

There are other reasons for burning pellets. The biggest being, I would rather use a renewable resource than burn a fossil fuel that we have to purchase from people that hate us. Besides, I just like the way it looks.
Fuel oil here is $3.19 per gallon. In order for me to burn it the price will need to get very close to $2.00 per to equal the price I pay for pellets at $250 per ton delivered. And another reason for heating with pellets is just as you say in reference to the renewable fuel vs. the fossil. I agree.
 
Fuel oil here is $3.19 per gallon. In order for me to burn it the price will need to get very close to $2.00 per to equal the price I pay for pellets at $250 per ton delivered. And another reason for heating with pellets is just as you say in reference to the renewable fuel vs. the fossil. I agree.
Good point. Also, heat losses through ductwork are greater than most people realize for forced air systems, if run through unconditioed space. I have a heat pump, and use it only when temps are over 40-45 because of this, even though in theory it is more efficient than pellets at those temps. Duct losses are rarely factored in, but always present.
 
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Good point. Also, heat losses through ductwork are greater than most people realize for forced air systems, if run through unconditioed space. I have a heat pump, and use it only when temps are over 40-45 because of this, even though in theory it is more efficient than pellets at those temps. Duct losses are rarely factored in, but always present.
The same is true of hydronic systems. The heat losses in the pipe runs are almost never accounted for. Pipe runs go up through exterior walls to the second floor. The insulation on those pipes is minimal. Even the short segments of the first floor loop that travel through the mostly unheated basement are responsible for unaccounted for loss.
I am sure that the losses are substantial.
 
Hey guys, I'm new on here. My wife and I bought a house this fall in western NY. IT HAD A harman pc45 in it so I've been learning the pellet stove world. I've been tracking my pellet consumption since the fall. I have been comparing my pellet consumption with the temperature, but found heating degree days to be a better comparison. Typically I burn 2 bags a day if it's below 30 degrees F. We heat the first floor of a small old fa house with our stove.

Looking at the weather history for this area, there were 968 heating degree days(base 65) in the month of December. That means the average outside temp in December was about 33 degrees here. 65-(968/31) obviously it was much colder at times and warmer at other times in December. I burned 44 bags that month, so I burn about 1 bag per 22 heating degree days. Or 2 lbs per HDD. Anyone else discovered heating degree days as a measure of cold?

FYI, buffalo sees about 7000 HDD per year based on data from 1961-1990, found on Wikipedia.
Edit: based on info from NOAA, referenced on Wikipedia.
 
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Hey guys, I'm new on here. My wife and I bought a house this fall in western NY. IT HAD A harman pc45 in it so I've been learning the pellet stove world. I've been tracking my pellet consumption since the fall. I have been comparing my pellet consumption with the temperature, but found heating degree days to be a better comparison. Typically I burn 2 bags a day if it's below 30 degrees F. We heat the first floor of a small old fa house with our stove.

Looking at the weather history for this area, there were 968 heating degree days(base 65) in the month of December. That means the average outside temp in December was about 33 degrees here. 65-(968/31) obviously it was much colder at times and warmer at other times in December. I burned 44 bags that month, so I burn about 1 bag per 22 heating degree days. Or 2 lbs per HDD. Anyone else discovered heating degree days as a measure of cold?

FYI, buffalo sees about 7000 HDD per year based on data from 1961-1990, found on Wikipedia.
Edit: based on info from NOAA, referenced on Wikipedia.
Welcome Overlook.
Seems hard to compare fuel use on long range use because of temperature swings and because when we use our pellet stoves instead of dino juice we tend to crank up the heat some more. My observations here anyway.
 
Welcome Overlook.
Seems hard to compare fuel use on long range use because of temperature swings and because when we use our pellet stoves instead of dino juice we tend to crank up the heat some more. My observations here anyway.

Thanks. I agree in a sense that an average fuel consumption over a long period may not be the most accurate. AND i have been trying to figure out if i'm using the stove the most efficiently. I've read several posts on this forum and i've been running it on "room temp" mode, Manual ignition, distribution blower on high. I had the thermostat wire hanging near the stove, but recently moved it across the room. The room has a ceiling fan in it and i leave that on low or medium all the time. My wife is home all day and she rarely touches the controls....so it is set to the same temp setting almost all the time. That being said, if the stove settings don't change, then wouldn't fuel consumption vary with outside temperature pretty well, even over a long period?
 
Thanks. I agree in a sense that an average fuel consumption over a long period may not be the most accurate. AND i have been trying to figure out if i'm using the stove the most efficiently. I've read several posts on this forum and i've been running it on "room temp" mode, Manual ignition, distribution blower on high. I had the thermostat wire hanging near the stove, but recently moved it across the room. The room has a ceiling fan in it and i leave that on low or medium all the time. My wife is home all day and she rarely touches the controls....so it is set to the same temp setting almost all the time. That being said, if the stove settings don't change, then wouldn't fuel consumption vary with outside temperature pretty well, even over a long period?
Fuel consumption most certainly will change. I can tell with our Harman on a day to day difference but we have had some wild swings. Now if one had a fixed feed rate stove one would just be warmer or colder. I am running the Harman same as you.
 
Hey guys, I'm new on here. My wife and I bought a house this fall in western NY. IT HAD A harman pc45 in it so I've been learning the pellet stove world. I've been tracking my pellet consumption since the fall. I have been comparing my pellet consumption with the temperature, but found heating degree days to be a better comparison. Typically I burn 2 bags a day if it's below 30 degrees F. We heat the first floor of a small old fa house with our stove.

Looking at the weather history for this area, there were 968 heating degree days(base 65) in the month of December. That means the average outside temp in December was about 33 degrees here. 65-(968/31) obviously it was much colder at times and warmer at other times in December. I burned 44 bags that month, so I burn about 1 bag per 22 heating degree days. Or 2 lbs per HDD. Anyone else discovered heating degree days as a measure of cold?

FYI, buffalo sees about 7000 HDD per year based on data from 1961-1990, found on Wikipedia.
Edit: based on info from NOAA, referenced on Wikipedia.
What did you use before pellets? If you used heating oil, then they typically calculate a K-factor for your oil use based upon degree days. Then you can compare your pellet use vs your oil use.

So, in your example, you use 1 bag for 22 DDs, which is also the same as saying you use 2.4 gallons of oil for 22 DDs, which is a pellet K-factor of 9.2, which is not bad. Based upon 7000 DDs, a K-factor of 9.2 would result in about 760 gallons, which in Maine is right in the average.
 
I like the k factor concept. We lived in an apartment before and heated with electric. This house has an oil fueled boiler for some of the house, but we try not to use it.

For the benefit of this thread, after looking at my "fuel consumption log" I actually used 12 bags for the week of jan 4 - jan 10. That's 69 pounds per day average. Or 1.7 bags per day.
 
Excellent way to calculate, OverlookEGR. While I have not factored HDD into my tracker or projection model, I think I might. I have a Davis weather station that tracks it, so would be easy to use even without consulting the weather service data. Good idea!
 
With it running around -20 most nights been averaging 2 bags a day,but still learning the stove ,been burning , Energex Golds, Today have it cranked back as we're getting a break and temps about 35. Glad the storms south of us in downstate NY .
 
My pellet "K" factor is 2 pounds of pellets per degree day. This past week I've been averaging 85 pounds per day.
 
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