PE Summit LE & Osburn 3500 Overnight

[GoStove]

Hey guys considering both of these options and going over some pluses and minuses to be considered for sure, one big goal here though is overnight burns with plenty of coals still available in the morning.

From what I am gathering with these newer non cat stoves it is harder to get those long burns. I understand the Summit (looking at Classic) has the EBT which if I’m understanding correctly in the current iteration shuts off the secondary air as the stove cools down (please correct me if I’m wrong!) and this stove has a 3 cubic foot firebox. I am guessing the Osburn 3500 has the secondary air open all the time but has a 3.5 cubic foot firebox.

Do you guys think the EBT or the larger firebox would win out for longest burn times? Or perhaps it would equal out? Thank you for any input or firsthand experience. This would be with 20-25’ of pipe and it does get cold and windy here, below 0F easily etc.

 

[EbS-P]

I would choose the PE. Their SS baffle is a good design and the EBT2 is a great function. You may or may not need a damper. Hard to say. Don’t be afraid to install one.

I wouldn’t let the size differences figure much into my choice. How you load it will matter more. How deep is the 3500 firebox I forget.

 

[Gearhead660]

What would your wood supply consist of? That may affect the length of your burn. Once you get to the 3 cuft and up stoves, overnight burns shouldnt be an issue. My insert is only 2.4 cuft, and 8-10 burns are common. I burn hardwoods, oak, ash, elm, etc.
Either of those stove would do the job, I think the PE is easier on the eyes.

 

[Gearhead660]

I would choose the PE. Their SS baffle is a good design and the EBT2 is a great function. You may or may not need a damper. Hard to say. Don’t be afraid to install one.

I wouldn’t let the size differences figure much into my choice. How you load it will matter more. How deep is the 3500 firebox I forget.

The 3500 is 20" deep. Both are N-S loaders.

 

[GoStove]

Wood supply would be seasoned pine, split and unsplit available. I think both stoves seem to have a lot going for them for sure and we do like the PE looks. On the other hand the Osburn qualifies for the credits. We are willing to miss the credit to get the stove we want though. I would just say I’d be disappointed if I wasn’t able to at least have coals in the AM to get a fire going again and I do see some past threads here where people are having some issues getting this dialed in, especially on these longer pipe runs. Hoping for 9-10 hours, more would be better but 9-10 would be just fine.

 

[Gearhead660]

I have a 3.5 cuft Drolet stove(Myriad 2), and have coals easily after 10 hrs. But I haven't tried with just pine. I would say install a flue damper from the get go. Gotta slow the off gassing of that pine.

 

[begreen]

Both stoves will do the job. The EBT2 regulates the amount of secondary air, but even with it closed, there is a small amount of air still availble, just less than when the draft is strongest. The Osburn 3500's firebox is a bit larger.

By the description of the flue, I'd put a key damper in for either stove. It will likely stay open during shoulder season burning, but may be necessary to regulate draft during very cold days.

 

[EatenByLimestone]

How does one season pine without splitting it?

 

[begreen]

If it's in Colorado or Wyoming, it may be standing dead. Some areas have been hit hard by mountain pine beetle attacks.

 

[GoStove]

Thanks all, I’ll have to ask to see if a damper can be put in at the time of installation, is it generally considered up to code etc. to have one put in? If I can get it more towards the low end of that 20-25’ pipe estimate would I definitely need a damper to get 9-10 hours burns you think in say below 0F weather?

 

[begreen]

Burn time is relative to the fuel load and the heat demand. If the heat loss of the house is high, the fuel BTU on the low side, and the stove is pushed hard, then 9-10 hr burn time may not happen, even with a big stove.

 

[stoveliker]

In my understanding, any 3 cubic foot stove will allow to dial down to have coals after 10 hrs if the draft is within specs.
The point is that that output may keep you at a balmy 70 F or if your home isn't sealed and insulated enough,.it may be a frisky 60 F breakfast...

 

[GoStove]

Thanks guys. I’m ok if the furnace has to back things up a little, I’m mostly hoping for the overnight burns just so I don’t have to build and light a new fire from scratch each morning….example if there are enough coals left after a full load 9-10 hours before to get some kindling / splits going again in the morning, and I can tend that during the day and then another full load that night and so on I’d be pretty happy.

 

[4x4prepper]

> How does one season pine without splitting it?

12" long rounds - less then 12" diameter works for me. In GA cover off the ground, stacked by April is ready to burn by September. My stove is kind of small, so, I split them anyway.