PE introduces the LE2 line

[begreen]

PE now lists the new LE2 line of woodstoves on their website. The new models are all based on the smaller 1.4 (Vista) and 1.6 cu ft (Neo) fireboxes. The LE2 models qualify for the 30% tax credit and are still non-catalytic stoves. They use a unique flue gas agitation system to acheive the 75% HHV requirement.

LE2 Approved - Pacific Energy

LE2 Wood Stoves Now Available Order one of our newly certified LE2 wood stoves by the EPA. Order the new and even better LE2 with 30% US Tax Credit. Visit a Pacific Energy dealer Visit a Pacific Energy showroom near your and order a LE2 wood stove now. Find a Showroom Longer Burn Times Higher […]

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[Itslay90]

PE now lists the new LE2 line of woodstoves on their website. The new models are all based on the smaller 1.4 (Vista) and 1.6 cu ft (Neo) fireboxes. The LE2 models qualify for the 30% tax credit and are still non-catalytic stoves. They use a unique flue gas agitation system to acheive the 75% HHV requirement.

LE2 Approved - Pacific Energy

LE2 Wood Stoves Now Available Order one of our newly certified LE2 wood stoves by the EPA. Order the new and even better LE2 with 30% US Tax Credit. Visit a Pacific Energy dealer Visit a Pacific Energy showroom near your and order a LE2 wood stove now. Find a Showroom Longer Burn Times Higher […]

www.pacificenergy.net

They need to make a le2 to the summit Le, and the t5

 

[stoveliker]

Is this a similar idea as the turbulator of Joyful? --> autocorrect.... Jotul

Seems simple enough in construction to be robust.

Good that further development is done.

 

[Todd]

Is this a similar idea as the turbulator of Joyful? --> autocorrect.... Jotul

Seems simple enough in construction to be robust.

Good that further development is done.

Looks different than Jotul’s turbulator. Some kind of combustion management system that runs off a battery or ac? Maybe a better EBT? It’s nice the hit the 75% mark without a cat.

 

[stoveliker]

Yes, I saw the battery box but wasn't sure (without reading more) what that is for.

I don't like a stove that depends on electricity.
I presume it doesn't have moving parts in the exhaust pathway....? Then what is the power for ..?

 

[begreen]

The flue gas agitator is passive and at the flue exit. The secondary air supply is actively regulated. I've been waiting for the new documentation on this so that the information is correct. It does have battery backup that's good for 5-7 days I believe. The stove should still function without power, but I don't know what the static state of this regulator is when unpowered. Hopefully, PE will update documentation on this soon.

 

[stoveliker]

Ah,.okay. That's good; a passive mechanism for good combustion.

The secondary air regulated makes some sense. But based on what? Is there an O2 sensor..? We all know that those are prone to give trouble in dirty combustion (as a wood stove is).
Apparently the draft itself is not good enough a driver for secondary air to reach as complete a combustion as is possible with active regulation..

 

[begreen]

Here is an update from PE on how the LE2 system works:

The LE2 technology self-adjusts a portion of the primary and secondary air based on inputs from two thermal probes. The primary benefit is better start-ups and re-loads.

Two small servo motors do the work based on a bit of logic. The system can be powered by house power or batteries, and we are working on a thermal generator. If no power is available, you revert back to a Vista or a Neo 1.6. controllable as before.

 

[stoveliker]

Nice having a thermoelectric element to power the logic. Though the unpowered position would need to be such that that is the state beneficial for start-up.

 

[Fasttrack]

Thanks Begreen - I was just reading up on PE stoves today and noticed the AC power adapter / battery box in the manual for the LE2 stoves and was wondering what the heck that was all about.

So it sounds like, without power, the stove still works but requires manual adjustment the same as the old Vista or Neo fireboxes. That's not really a problem, IMO. And I like the idea of being able to snag the tax credit without needing a cat.

 

[begreen]

Yes, however it is only for emergency situations. Running it this way the stove would no longer be compliant.

 

[vrojkov]

I am looking for advise on LE vs LE2. simple is always more reliable and lower overtime cost.

My 17 years old Scan 60 finally quit. The glass cracked , when my wife decided to run the stove last time for the season.
So I am on a market for a new stove.

Same dealer who sold me the Scan has PE Neo 1.6 LE in stock. Newer LE2 will be around the same price after rebate.
My question is if ACMS really good and reliable and if it really add 1-2 hours of heating time?
Any known issues with ACMS? What is the price to replace it’s components?

Extra time definitely desirable for me for overnight runs. Also if it is really 9-10 hours then this will cover heating my house during my work day from office.

P.s. my wife likes our Scan stove so much , that she is leaning towards buying used Scan A10 as the replacement. Go figure. And they are all pretty old.

 

[begreen]

We don't have established track numbers for them yet, however a small firebox can only deliver for so long. For longer burntimes, go for the larger Neo 2.5 firebox.

 

[vrojkov]

For longer burntimes, go for the larger Neo 2.5 firebox.

I hear you. But I believe that 1.6 is right size for my 1250 sqft ranch with my heating patterns. I was able to squeeze 6 and even up to 8 hrs of burn time from my Scan 60. And run it up to a week non stop without restarting from scratch. I bet , this is as good as it can be with the stove which likes no more then 2-3 logs loaded at a time. It is not just about box size but also if the stove design allows to build up a nice fat layer of live coals. And put at least one un split big log on top of the coals prior to the bed time, to make it last over night. I also run a wood stove as a primary heater only during the coldest two month. I.e from mid December to mid February. I have a Mini split heat pump as a primary heater, which is cold climate rated. I.e I tested it all the way to -11 F two years ago. I also have an original oil heater with baseboards as a secondary backup. The rest of a cooler season we use our wood stove as a fireplace - we just love coziness of wood fire, but we don’t really care about using it as a heater during shoulder season.