Pacific Energy Warmland Pellet Stove

[imacman]

.......i want a unit less picky with pellets that doesn't require cleaning of the glass and burn pot so frequently, i have to clean the glass on my 25-pdv within 8 hours, one pellet brand would do a bit better than the other but cleaning is needed in less than a day......

Geek, you must realize that a number of factors go into how fast the glass gets dirty, and it's not all the stove....pellets will have quite a bit of influence on that too. As Jay mentioned, the glass on his Omega gets dirty, and so does my 10-cpm multi-fueler.......but the brand of pellet seems to determine how that happens, at least on mine.

IMO, and I'm sure Jay will agree.....go for a multi-fuel stove....they are the ones that will handle most any pellet easier.

 

[jtakeman]

.......i want a unit less picky with pellets that doesn't require cleaning of the glass and burn pot so frequently, i have to clean the glass on my 25-pdv within 8 hours, one pellet brand would do a bit better than the other but cleaning is needed in less than a day......

Geek, you must realize that a number of factors go into how fast the glass gets dirty, and it's not all the stove....pellets will have quite a bit of influence on that too. As Jay mentioned, the glass on his Omega gets dirty, and so does my 10-cpm multi-fueler.......but the brand of pellet seems to determine how that happens, at least on mine.

IMO, and I'm sure Jay will agree.....go for a multi-fuel stove....they are the ones that will handle most any pellet easier.

I agree with Pete on both!

If I burn crap pellets the glass will get dirty quicker than the better pellet brands! My week long without a cleaning is an average. When burning the super clean stuff I can go far longer with much cleaner glass. Plus I just like to keep the stove clean so its once a week and it gets a full clean anyway. I just feel better is all! I went a month burning Maine woods first batch horrid pellets and I still could see the burn pot. It was a test to see how long I could stand it. But I just didn't feel right.

You all know my stand on multifuelers! Having owed both, Hands down my vote is on the multifuel stove. I will never own a pellet only stove again! EVER!

 

[geek]

I know pete, BUT I have tried all different brands and even fiddled with the settings a bit. Last one I tried was the okies and lots of soot in the glass in JUST about 10 hours, maybe my "picky" position is that this englander has such a small window glass that it gets dirty QUICK no matter what. Since I bought the stove I have always shut down the stove DAILY for burn pot and glass cleanup, I usually "follow" the glass and based on the soot I know when it is time to clean, just too much IMHO.

My santa fe goes much longer and not so picky. Maybe the newer 10-cpm work better (drop feeder vs. bottom feeder) and I'd wish you had this 25-pdv at some point to know what I'm talking about......

 

[MCPO]

I know pete, BUT I have tried all different brands and even fiddled with the settings a bit. Last one I tried was the okies and lots of soot in the glass in JUST about 10 hours, maybe my "picky" position is that this englander has such a small window glass that it gets dirty QUICK no matter what. Since I bought the stove I have always shut down the stove DAILY for burn pot and glass cleanup, I usually "follow" the glass and based on the soot I know when it is time to clean, just too much IMHO.

My santa fe goes much longer and not so picky. Maybe the newer 10-cpm work better (drop feeder vs. bottom feeder) and I'd wish you had this 25-pdv at some point to know what I'm talking about......

Yeah, the PDV and PDVC stoves glass gets pretty dirty and probably faster than many other stoves. I`m not too sure it`s anything to do with the glass size but more with the air flow design.
Sure , different brand pellets have an effect on the glass too as well as burn settings but nothing I know will keep the glass clean for long . Being out in the back workshop mines not a problem cleaning but I can see it would be a real PIA in the house.

 

[jtakeman]

I know pete, BUT I have tried all different brands and even fiddled with the settings a bit. Last one I tried was the okies and lots of soot in the glass in JUST about 10 hours, maybe my "picky" position is that this englander has such a small window glass that it gets dirty QUICK no matter what. Since I bought the stove I have always shut down the stove DAILY for burn pot and glass cleanup, I usually "follow" the glass and based on the soot I know when it is time to clean, just too much IMHO.

My santa fe goes much longer and not so picky. Maybe the newer 10-cpm work better (drop feeder vs. bottom feeder) and I'd wish you had this 25-pdv at some point to know what I'm talking about......

Yeah, the PDV and PDVC stoves glass gets pretty dirty and probably faster than many other stoves. I`m not too sure it`s anything to do with the glass size but more with the air flow design.
Sure , different brand pellets have an effect on the glass too as well as burn settings but nothing I know will keep the glass clean for long . Being out in the back workshop mines not a problem cleaning but I can see it would be a real PIA in the house.

Maybe ask Mike if there is a way to improve the air wash on the PDV's. Sounds like they may not even have one if they get dirty that quick! An air wash is a pretty simple system, It lets air in at the bottom of the glass so clean air "washes" over the glass area! I don't think it takes much air to achieve this.

My 1st question would be do they have an air wash system at all????

 

[imacman]

......My 1st question would be do they have an air wash system at all????

According to the Englander website for the PDVC, it does have an airwash system. But like you said, check w/ Mike for a possible way to improve it.

 

[BrotherBart]

I don't know how to improve it but the PDVC definitely has an airwash system. It is fed by a couple of holes in the bottom front of the firebox.

 

[geek]

my 25-pdv also has a couple of holes in the front to the bottom....

 

[iron stove]

Just dug up this topic Beacuse:

Was at the Goshen fair, and there was a Warmland PS45 on display AND BURNING. Seemed like one Heck of a stove. Put out a lot of heat, and I loved that auger turning in the burnpot. I was leaning towards a Harman stove, but after seeing this one burn, and at the $ difference, boy im thinking hard.

Anybody tell me how customer friendly Pacific Energy ( waranty wise, just in case) ? Im usually not a first model year buyer, but I might make a exception.

 

[jtakeman]

Just dug up this topic Beacuse:

Was at the Goshen fair, and there was a Warmland PS45 on display AND BURNING. Seemed like one Heck of a stove. Put out a lot of heat, and I loved that auger turning in the burnpot. I was leaning towards a Harman stove, but after seeing this one burn, and at the $ difference, boy im thinking hard.

Anybody tell me how customer friendly Pacific Energy ( waranty wise, just in case) ? Im usually not a first model year buyer, but I might make a exception.

Snap any picts of the agitator in the burnpot? They didn't mention it having the self cleaning feature in the brochure.

 

[iron stove]

No pics. Didnt bring my camera, and cell shot are miserable with the regular cell phone I carry.

Dealer didnt have any brochures, just got the stove in. But I did find them online, and they have the manual downloadable. The auger is chain driven, 1 rpm, and IIRC there was a picture of it in the manual.

 

[jtakeman]

Thats definetly not an M55 on the inside. Agitator is totally different, So is the burnpot and its cover. Looks like they improved the desigh some.

Where was the dealer from? Could you post the info, I would like to go check them and the stove out.

 

[iron stove]

Dealer was Hearth House, out of Torrington CT. Their buisness card also has Hocan Gas on it, so they alos do propane, coal and such.

BTW, do the M55's have a good reputaion ? And how are they on price? After seeing how the auger system keeps the burn pot free of chinkers, Its got my interst.

 

[jtakeman]

Cool, I live right up the road from them and bypass daily. I will have to stop and give it a gander!

M55 has a good repore'. I own the big sister to it the Omega. 3rd season and it rocks. The m55 is a little less than 3K depending were you look.

How much for the Warmland?

 

[iron stove]

I taked with the reps, and they were hoping to have the Warmland on display after the show. They are going to try and put it through its paces. The price, 2500-2600 IIRC, I grabed their card, but I ddint write down the actuall price. I just knew it was almost 1K cheaper than Harmans multi fuel with a auger.

 

[jtakeman]

I think the M55's would be slightly quieter. The convection fan is quad style, They run with less whine and hum than the single blowers. Other than that the Warmland looks like a winner.

Have you looked at a M55 yet? V&V woodstove in New Milford has one on display. A member geek just check it out. I think they wanted $2500 for it.

 

[iron stove]

No, never looked at the Enviro's. I have a dealer near me, but he's VEry small. Going to look around and see who else might cassy those after reading those kind words about them. . Im going to craigslist my stove this week, but im hearing that the market is flooded with stoves right now. Didnt have any hits from here.

 

[jtakeman]

A member here named pelletdude sell's them. I think he's near the cenral CT area. He talks about the M55 here:

https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/58176/

 

[iron stove]

He's in the far easter section, over near the Casinos.

Looks like he was at the Woodstock fair today, while I was at the Goshen fair. Ill have to see if he's going to be at Hebron fiar. That my next stop next weekend. Gotta love Fair season. Watched world class woodchoppping today, while eating clam fritters and fries

 

[jtakeman]

I head straight for Nodines both. Love the fairs! Going to the Big E?

 

[iron stove]

HAvnt done Big E in a few years. Tough with a young child, contantly running, no attention span. Sticking with the closer stuff for now. When I did Big e, always weekdays. Cant stand that place on the weekend.

 

[geek]

is there a stove fair coming up soon for us close by?

 

[jtakeman]

I hear you on the little one, We had to take a few years break from the E. I never do the weekend thing either. Always a weekday and hope its a day they call for rain. My son will be 11 and he likes looking at the same stuff dad does. The wife is the one that gets bored and wanders off. :cheese:

There were a couple of stove places showing there goods a few years ago during the stove rush. I saw just about every stove you could think of there. That's were I saw my first Omega. I might have bought it but it wasn't burning. They had some smaller stoves burning. I think it was the fall of 2007. So we haven't been in 3 years now. I'm pretty sure it was the year I bought the Breckwell bigE. Anyway, There should be stoves there and probably the most you will see in one place. Might be worth it to check it out. The food is always worth going. :lol:

 

[flametofire]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIVCDgkUsC4

Here is a video of the PS45 running, for interested parties. I have spent time running this unit and it is fool proof. The unit is built like a tank with heavy heat exchanger tubes and self aligning burnpot. It is easy to clean and burns all types and grades of pellets. The components inside the stove are built in such a way that it is possible to someday rate the unit as multi-fuel. A upgrade in the ignition system will be needed to ignite corn. Enjoy.

 

[pelletdude]

is there a stove fair coming up soon for us close by?

We are having a Fall Open House on October 3rd - 10 - 3. Will be burning the ENVIRO M55 FS - probably the EF2i, Chimney fire demo by Tri State Chimney - We will have Empyre Elite indoor and Pro outdoor Gassification furnaces on Display. BBQ on the Green Mountain Grills and Kamado JOE.