Pacific Energy stove question -- Israel...
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... so about 4.6 m -- is that from hearth or 15 from the top of the stove? And does that fact that we get very strong winds in the winter make a difference?Thanks...
I have a friend with a PE Summit stove. The stove pipe has a 45 elbow and a 90 before going into the chimney for another 90º turn. Total height is 12 ft and amazingly it drafts well. This is their only source of heat so they use it in mild weather and cold. Use double-wall stove pipe to keep the flue gases hotter.
it is -- and just another question - does anyone know the exact distance from the back end of the summit to the flue pipe -- I fugure its about 5.5 inches from the literature -- is that accurate ... trying to figure if I'm going to have to move one of the ceiling fans because the blades will too close to the flue (6" diam. single-skin vitreous enameled steel) - would rather avoid re-wiring things if I can! I figure that 40cm is enough distance between the fan blades and the flue...so if I have the flue from back of stove distance right, I should just make it...
...I probably could - how much thicker is double wall than single wall generally -- for a 6" stove outlet what would be the diameter of double wall flue?
I was planning on doing single wall to the ceiling and then double through the ceiling and on the roof ... so it wouldn't be so difficult to to do double down below as well -- cost would be about $20 more per meter -- so that's doable... is there any difference in difficulty in installation?
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by double wall through the ceiling do you mean class A insulated pipe or just double walled pipe? i'm completely clueless on codes in your corner of the world but for safety's sake it should be class A pipe from the ceiling on up, with either single or double walled pipe meeting up to it.
Its insulated pipe - although I don't know if it is 'class A' - it is definitely what all those who I have spoken to who do professional installation here use -- so I am assuming that it is fine. The funny thing is that I just spoke to the dealer - and he said that he usually advises against using double-walled pipe inside -- we got disconnected so I didn't quite get his reasoning yet ... given that i will only have about 12" clearance from the ceiling fan blade, I figure that double-walled, as Be Green suggested, was the perfect solution ... will keep ya'll posted...
6" chimney pipe ( insulated class A) is typically 8" in diameter and comes with a shiny stainless steel outer jacket. 6" double-wall stove pipe (air insulated) is typically 6.5" in diameter and comes in a black finish.
That is very odd that the dealer advised against double-wall stove pipe. It has several advantages.
That is very odd that the dealer advised against double-wall stove pipe. It has several advantages.
I talked to him today -- I came away with the understanding that the only available options here are single wall and insulated class A - but am going to check with a local installer to see if that's the case -- if so, I guess I can see why he would say that putting class A in from the stove up would be overkill - and his main thing was that it would not allow me to benefit from the radiant heat from the pipe -- given the size of our space and the power of the Summit stove, I'm not sure that's an issue ... one suggestion he made was to go with single flue until the height of the fan blades (30cm from the ceiling) and switch to insulated pipe at that point -- not sure how that will work aesthetically, but it is a solution for the clearance issue ... will speak to the installer and see if double wall air-insulated pipe is available
... the dealer also seemed to think that at the point where the stove pipe would be within 30 cm of the fan blades - which is at least 2m/6.5 ft from the stove top - it would be sufficiently cool to pose no real risk ... any thoughts on that?
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Just an update - so, double skin air insulated stove pipe is not sold here - they would have to make it for me special, which would of course cost me...I think that we are going to use single skin up to the level of the fan, and then have it meet the insulated pipe at the level of the fan blades 30 cm from the ceiling ... given that my ceiling is pine and the roof SIP, we would have extended the insulated pipe about 10cm into the room in any event...
...that's an idea, but I think that as long as we transition to insulated pipe at the height of the fan, there should be no need ... will post pics once we're all set up ...
Just installed and lit a test /paint curing fire ... thanks again to all for all the advice - its a beautiful beast of a stove!
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Is that a completely non-combustible wall behind the stove? The clearances appear too close. The rear of the stove is supposed to be at least 12" from the wall if that is conventional drywall and the center of the flue 22" to the wall with single-wall connector pipe.
...that is drywall, but the installer seemed to think it was fine, and I thought I read that for mobile home installations you could go as close as 4" which this meets .... the center of the flue isn't 22" -- but is at least 14" ... abut since you pointed this out, I'll monitor the temps on the wall this winter and see how things feel...
The manual is pretty clear on the tested clearances. It only special cases double-wall clearances for a mobile home. Your installer is not an authority and should be called on the carpet for this installation. It needs to be fixed.
This is what can happen when a stove or stove pipe is placed too close to a combustible surface. In this case it only took one night.
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This is what can happen when a stove or stove pipe is placed too close to a combustible surface. In this case it only took one night.
(broken link removed to http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/killed-fire-mobile-home-northwest-georgia-43011703)
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Not much choice now that the chimney is set in place. The pipe and wall can be shielded, but that's about the best that can be done. Hope the installer didn't do more shortcuts above with the chimney clearances.
Can't you order double wall stove pipe online and have it delivered? You can move the stove and put a couple elbows in to make up for the difference. Looks like you need more floor protection unless the floor is noncombustible?
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