To me, an "overnight fire" is any fire that is burning when you go to bed and still burning when you wake up.
"Overnight" burns one after another 24/7 during cold weeks?
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For me, that overnight, can be a big pile of usable coals. That huge pile of coals from a good load of wood, especially from dense spices, will be off gassing still. I'll sit there before loading fresh splits and watch the blue flames dancing between the coals for awhile. This is usable heat as it's still cycling the furnace blower.
So, my definition of an overnight fire is usable heat. When it's in the 20s, or colder, my usable heat is lessened from this drafty ole house. That would insist of a 5 hour burn cycle.
So, my definition of an overnight fire is usable heat. When it's in the 20s, or colder, my usable heat is lessened from this drafty ole house. That would insist of a 5 hour burn cycle.
ctreitzell
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because you have an appliance capable of very long burn times IINM
essentially, one doesn't necessarily cold start a fire specifically to obtain an "overnight fire"...you likely build up to it over the day's' burnings
which is what I mean, you might not "think" about it like that, but I propose to you that is what you subconsciously do
in my case, I was setting my alarm for every 2.5 hrs and feeding the wood burner overnight, because I may not get a 6 hr burn (I seldom sleep more than 6 hrs)
now, my system has it's issues: small firebox, horizontal run, incorrectly spec'd chimney pipe...and my my draft is too high cuz chimney pipe diameter too small for the rise
so, I have to consciously "think" about and prepare for my less than ideal situation
ctreitzell
Feeling the Heat
If I was a slave to my stove like that I wouldn’t even burn wood. I know you have many burning restrictions over there and a limited choice of stoves but could you find a better stove with a longer burn time? Even my little Jotul 602 can go 5-7 hours between reloads.because you have an appliance capable of very long burn times IINM
essentially, one doesn't necessarily cold start a fire specifically to obtain an "overnight fire"...you likely build up to it over the day's' burnings
which is what I mean, you might not "think" about it like that, but I propose to you that is what you subconsciously do
in my case, I was setting my alarm for every 2.5 hrs and feeding the wood burner overnight, because I may not get a 6 hr burn (I seldom sleep more than 6 hrs)
now, my system has it's issues: small firebox, horizontal run, incorrectly spec'd chimney pipe...and my my draft is too high cuz chimney pipe diameter too small for the rise
so, I have to consciously "think" about and prepare for my less than ideal situation
I still don't see a difference in your two characterizations. This has nothing to do with my or your stoves.because you have an appliance capable of very long burn times IINM
essentially, one doesn't necessarily cold start a fire specifically to obtain an "overnight fire"...you likely build up to it over the day's' burnings
which is what I mean, you might not "think" about it like that, but I propose to you that is what you subconsciously do
in my case, I was setting my alarm for every 2.5 hrs and feeding the wood burner overnight, because I may not get a 6 hr burn (I seldom sleep more than 6 hrs)
now, my system has it's issues: small firebox, horizontal run, incorrectly spec'd chimney pipe...and my my draft is too high cuz chimney pipe diameter too small for the rise
so, I have to consciously "think" about and prepare for my less than ideal situation
An overnight fire is just that: it burns and doesn't burn out while I sleep.
Same as an "over day fire" - it burns and doesn't burn out during the day.
It is not a fire *during* (part of) the night (burning out before reloading time leading to a new (cold) start), it is one that lasts long enough to reach the next day reload. Hence *over*night fire rather than *night fire*.
Anyway, there is no subconscious thinking going on. It's simply practical acting. Like how far you can go on a tank of gas (or a battery charge) in your car.
Let me clarify this. Overnight is from when I go to bed and get up in the morning. To me, that should total 7-8 hrs. If it's 8hrs in and I wakeup to the coals I described, ie usable heat, that's an overnight burn.
If I go to bed at 10 and get up at 3am to restoke, that's not an overnight fire. It lost it's usable heat hence I'm up to reload.
@ctreitzell I would be getting a different stove and a proper flue system. Even if it had to be a fabricated stove. Basic design with a baffle. A baffle that slides forward to bypass would be even better.
ctreitzell
Feeling the Heat
I cannot afford a Jotul at this time. I have what I have, doin the best I can
ctreitzell
Feeling the Heat
yeah, like I said...I have wood to burn, high electrical prices and a current install that functions, but not to the USA standards you folks are running. Buying in more wood to stretch my wood I have n my property is better value for money than paying too much for electricity which cannot come close to the heat we get out of this Panadero.
We are working on plans for a massive remodel/ renovation and are not in a position to follow y'alls suggestions. We'd be throwing that money we are using elsewhere straight in the garbage. Still treading water until a house sells or our partners make some significant sales.
We are working on plans for a massive remodel/ renovation and are not in a position to follow y'alls suggestions. We'd be throwing that money we are using elsewhere straight in the garbage. Still treading water until a house sells or our partners make some significant sales.
If I recall correctly, you have a cold house without running your stove?
2.5hr reloads is just not feasible. Does your central heating keep everything warm? Is it not affordable?
A different stove is affordable. It has to be approached with that mindset.
... But you do the same, get up in the middle of the night to feed your wood heat, while "lusting" after a Princess...?!
Yes I want a princess. Loves a BK. Can I afford a $5k stove? Not really but if it was the answer for me I would make it happen. Mind set.
I get up on the cold snaps to feed the furnace so that I'm not consuming wood by a third of a face cord per stoking. I do it to save wood. I feed an average of 8-10 splits. Regular sized stove splits too. You may recall I was without a truck for a year. That put a huge damper on my supplies. Burning this way, I'm getting ahead again. Heating a drafty old farmhouse of 4500sq ft is a chore. You may recall my thread of HO insurance? I think you posted there? Another reason I haven't put a Princess in my parlor. Although I am tired of that BS and currently looking at putting a stove in the kitchen which, has no heat. I do however have to get through this month without making any major expenses. I have $8900 due in this months period.
I'm trying to help the guy out. Mind set. That's how I've made everything happen for me. It's a positive way of thinking. Instead of the negative vibe of "I cant afford that."
Hows you?
Sure, but I think the OP was would say he's in the same situation as you. Wanting but having other things to do first from the limited funds available.
ctreitzell
Feeling the Heat
Central Heating?!? We do NOT have central heating in this converted barn!
The stove installation was an afterthought by the previous owner.
We have been using electric radiators from Dimplex and DeLonghi…and elec prices went thru the roof with the war
With this Panadero we are saving over €3K per year…BUT, that savings cannot go towards a new stove. Again, as I have said, we are amidst planning an entire rebuild of the adjoining barn ruin and this barn conversion we currently live in…
That said, various financial challenges happened to my business in the wake of Brexit and COVID…I have stay frugal with finances…wood falling to the ground in my property = free heat…and I supplement that with purchased firewood which costs about 1/4 of what electricity costs…it is worth it, yet comes with me being a slave to the stove
Yes, I can get 4-5 hours of coals, but it is not effective…reloading more often is effective
ctreitzell
Feeling the Heat
I’m the guy, eh? I’m not the OP here, sorry for the hijack.
Hey, I’ll put up with being cold to not have to work for someone else!
@all night moe I also have a huge place …around 6000sqft…I’ve learned to cope for now…the butane torch alone has made a MASSIVE improvement
Essentially I’m a landlord and have a fixed income at the moment. There aren’t any jobs, plus I’m already busy. Last year we had a destructive tenant thrash our best house. It set us back 15-20K…and had to purchase a new roof for the kitchen/ diner in that house…another 10K…we are still recovering from that…sure, it’s a mind set, to not spend, spend, spend!
So, SAVING money by burning FREE wood, makes me money. And stuff happens, yeah…cars need repair…animals require vet health help…luckily our health system is awesome…and very affordable
By making something affordable, could be finding a used stove. Although there may not be much of a market over there? Is it possible to put the word out through friends with a limited budget of what your willing to spend? Trying to help because you are or will be far more sleep deprived than I. I loose an hour, sometimes a bit more. Getting up every 2.5hrs is unhealthy. Psychological and physically. I'm sure you know it wears you down. On top of that, the day becomes less productive when one is worn down. The cold hasn't even set in yet. I will feel the effects myself come mid Feb.
I hope the best for you. Wish you were on this side of the pond. Life would be a bit easier for ya.
ctreitzell
Feeling the Heat
Again, as I have written many times to this forum, the electricity price increase in 2022 created a great shortage of wood stoves in France. We were extremely lucky to find this Panadero on the shop floor because it allowed the use of the existing chimney. The market has changed since 2022, but I still am not at liberty to replace my chimney flue pipe! It works; I have figured out how to maintain it myself. It is not ideal, but it works and costs me no extra outlay. Again, large fireboxes have been discontinued by the gov't. Those homeowners who have them are keeping them.
I have a working solution, I'm looking to spend only on fuel for this season...my missus and I have been over and over this subject, we are going to get another season out of this system.
Thanks for the well wishes, it is deeply appreciated.
I have already adjusted to no longer feeding the fire overnight as I had done the past two years. I also had an elderly feline for whom I was keeping the fire going 24/7 who is now no longer with us. I naturally have been sleeping around 5hrs per night for about 20 years now...I operate fine on that amount of sleep...and I typically get up at least once during that 5-6 hrs. Sometimes I sleep a lot longer, but mostly 5 hrs is sufficient...there are many humans who thrive on little sleep. Good luck with your sleep deprivation. I worked day/night shift patterns from 2001-2005 and that certainly affected me. I always loved nights and did not enjoy days.
No chance. I just had vascular surgery. It cost me about €400! It would have gone undiagnosed in the UK or USA. I own this property outright; not by inheritance, I bought it via hard work and commitment to a plan. Such a thing would have been impossible in California. There are a great many good reasons to choose to not live n the USA, I shall not go deeper into that here.
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