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While I believe you that the code may have changed, I will not visit that site. It is known to be a misleading and generally untrustworthy resource.
Source? John Gulland wrote the book on modern wood heating. There's tons of good information on that site.
 
I may have thrown the baby out with the bathwater but it was worth it.
 
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Just because one disagrees on a particular POV or article is not a reason to make a statement like it is a "generally untrustworthy site". It is generally regarded as one of the best wood stove sites on the web.
 
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Same thing here. Before we had the wood stove, it was just a fireplace. 1050cfm Thermador range hood. I have windows very close to crack open for air draw. One night I had a nice fire going, started up the range hood and forgot to crack open the window. Within a few minutes, the whole lower level of the house was full of smoke from the draft reversing in the fireplace.
Holy smokes!! Get it!! Wow 1050, you have a giant kitchen? Super BTU range? Or long run duct with 4 elbows!!?
 
They are the little sensor clipped on to the draft hoods on water heaters and furnaces. They are code in some areas and not others. They sense fumes spilling out of the draft hood and shut down the unit

We had this pop on our gas boiler and shut it off over the summer. It hasn't happened sense and it was a really windy day so I think some strong downdrafts triggered it.

I didn't even know it was there until the tech showed me. It actually works on temperature and apparently has a bimetallic coil inside
 
I didn't even know it was there until the tech showed me. It actually works on temperature and apparently has a bimetallic coil inside
yeah some are temp some are more sophisticated.
 
Ah, so that's why some of it's main supporters are Selkirk, Obadiah's, Morso, Hearth Products Association of Canada etc. etc. All untrustworthy folk.:(

I doubt any of those organizations will guarantee all the content on Woodheat.org site.

Woodheat.org has a bad rap for a page claiming outdoor air supplies are ineffective. They'd have a leg to stand on if they stuck with detailing the inadequacies in the requirement and the fact that outdoor air supplies can not solve all backflow issues, but they went quite a bit further in trying to argue that outdoor air supplies are worthless.

However, that is separate from your point. If the code did not actually change in 1995, it should be possible to post a link refuting that specific claim.
 
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John Gulland invented trees.
 
Woodheat.org has a bad rap for a page claiming outdoor air supplies are ineffective. They'd have a leg to stand on if they stuck with detailing the inadequacies in the requirement and the fact that outdoor air supplies can not solve all backflow issues, but they went quite a bit further in trying to argue that outdoor air supplies are worthless.
After requiring outdoor air supplies in 1990 research was done by the National Research Council of Canada which showed that they gave no advantage in the average Canadian house and could be a source of danger so the requirement was dropped in 1995.
That in no way says that they are not beneficial in some circumstances and locations. I am not aware of any similar research done in the U.S. to prove the point one way or the other.
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When my brother living in the UK installed a woodstove their local code required a 6" X 6" hole be made
in an outside wall in the room containing the stove. That wouldn't fly in Canada either.
 
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Just because one disagrees on a particular POV or article is not a reason to make a statement like it is a "generally untrustworthy site". It is generally regarded as one of the best wood stove sites on the web.

That's your opinion, my opinion is that that site is not reputable. I base that opinion mostly on their OAK POV. I'm certain you have seen in media or politics where one statement made by a person can ruin his reputation forever. This is like that but much worse.
 
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God forbid I am ever judged by one professional opinion I have given. Disagreeing on a single article does not condemn the wealth of good information John has contributed to the hearth industry. That's definitely throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
 
After requiring outdoor air supplies in 1990 research was done by the National Research Council of Canada which showed that they gave no advantage in the average Canadian house and could be a source of danger so the requirement was dropped in 1995.
That in no way says that they are not beneficial in some circumstances and locations. I am not aware of any similar research done in the U.S. to prove the point one way or the other.
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When my brother living in the UK installed a woodstove their local code required a 6" X 6" hole be made
in an outside wall in the room containing the stove. That wouldn't fly in Canada either.


Hi squirrel. I did a quick perusal of that web page you posted. Now I'm not the sharpest nut in the tree but it seemed to me they were more concerned with eliminating the downdraft possibilities more than the usefulness of supplying combustion air in a loop closed from household air. Hence they used open loop systems like fireplaces and fireplaces with glass doors.
I could have saved them some time informing them that an open fireplace with intake air wouldn't stop a downdraft scenario. It's only common sense it wouldn't. Even a closed loop,system cannot dispell the possibility of a down draft occurring.
Air intakes were never designed to stop the possibility of all down drafts. They were designed to feed air for combustion instead of taking that air from inside the house.
I have to agree with high beam in this one. I get the feeling reading the conclusions of this purported study that someone was doing a little backwards engineering on their science to prove a preconceived hypothosis. Smells more political than scientific.
Anyhow enjoy the stove.
 
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I find it strange that unvented gas fireplaces are allowed in the U.S. (They are illegal here) but OAKs are required for woodstoves. What is the logic there?
 
What? You expect us to be consistent? :cool:
 
There's a good reason unvented gas fireplaces are illegal in Canada. You guys might actually use them. :)
Down here they're used by Yuppies that change into jeans and open a $100 bottle of red vinegar on their leather couch and go camping for an hour. Then they'll shut the thing off, hop into thier beemers and go clubbing.

As for the OAK. I'm not even sure what my local, state laws are on thier use. Dammit I'm an American, I built my house by myself and if I want an air loop feeding my woodstove I'll have it. :) I got my Certificate of Occupancy in the mail 22 years ago. The building inspector who I knew quite well said the codes are whatever I say they are. Just let me know when you want to move in and I'll mail you the CO.
That's how I roll.
 
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