I got them last year down at tractor supply in kingston for like 230 a ton. I still have probably 20 bags of them left and I have probably 20 bags of sommerset hard woods. But I think I'm going to go get 2 tons of okie platinums today.The awf white pine I burnt last year were very light in color, almost white like the lg ultras. They haven't made their way up to this part of mass yet.