We need to remember that the gph emissions rating of an appliance does not indicate the amount of visible smoke or odor it can or will produce.
New low emission stove choice help
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We need to remember that the gph emissions rating of an appliance does not indicate the amount of visible smoke or odor it can or will produce.
I understand and can also say that I’ve witnessed less smoke and odor from modern stoves ran well.
Below, my alcove. Tiles with air space behind. Been running safe for 20 years.
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Do you know about the process of pyrolysis? Just because it worked this long without incident doesn't mean it will continue to
Is the air gap behind the tiled surfaces ventilated, that is open at least 1" at the bottom and top so that air can circulate freely behind it? What was used for the air gap spacers?
Tell us about your wood seasoning routine. It may need some changes for a newer stove.
That is almost it! My wife likes a bigger window…ha
I’ll take a look at their other stoves.
Thanks a lot.
Split stacked and top covered.
3 years on eucalyptus.
2 years on oak.
I’ve been a wood cutter since I was a kid.
Yes, I know about pyrolysis.
I’ve been living with wood heat in alternative structures for 45 years.
i do the best I can, so I can sleep safely at night.
It’s vented through the back with aluminum pipe pieces for spacers.
it wouldn’t pass our local California codes ( neither would my house) but my stove has full sized bricks on the inside that keeps the sides from getting hot. I’ve done a few legal hearths. This isn’t one of them but i deem it safe.
I’m a builder and welder by trade. I have inteligente and good working sense.
I would not put a stove in there that does not have full side and rear shielding like the Kent does. Call Woodstock and ask what they think.
If the enclosure studs are metal and there are no combustibles involved, then it would be safe. If framed with wood studs, then it is less so.
I thought the Sherwood had a metal side cabinet with an air gap from the actual stove body, similar to the PE Super. If so, that acts as a side shield.
No that’s maybe the tile fire you’re thinking of? The Sherwood is single wall 3/16”. Top has interior baffle. I bricked the insides and bed which raised the box temps and lowered side temps and smoke output.
I have built shields for stoves and pipes. The most notable, in my sauna which has an old pot bellied that runs red hot. Simple stainless sheet metal reflectors with standoffs keeps the tile surround warm to the touch, not even hot.
The Sherwood is a great stove( I have 2) I just want to be respectful of my neighbors. The prevailing winds do blow my exhaust right to their house. Our stove is our only heat.
Yes, must have been the Tile Fire. In that case, a stove like the PE Super or T5 or the Jotul F45 will be an improvement wrt reduced, side heat radiance. In cat stoves, the Regency 1500 and the BK Chinook and Ashford also have side cladding.
The Regency has been on my list as a strong contender. I like the front controls and warranty.
I would invite my neighbor to the house and explain to him what you’re trying to do. Take him outside your home and explain the prevailing winds to him as well. Be sure and tell him your stove is older and that it’s your only heat source. Then tell him you’re planning to update your stove to a newer unit that is more efficient and modern in every way, be it a wood stove or a pellet stove. Tell him you’re making every change you can, but you can only do so much.
Compare emissions numbers from a wood stove big enough to heat your home. Do the same for a pellet stove. Even if their emissions numbers match...them look at the size of the exhaust and ask yourself which stove has the smaller exhaust. Which ever has the smallest exhaust means it’s breathing a lot less for the area being heated. At that point look at chimney height as well. It is highly doubtful raising your chimney will appease your neighbors. Now you looked at everything you can to change the situation. The rest is up to the weather and the burden of your neighbor. There is only so much you can do. A pellet stove may not be an option for whatever reason. Perhaps consider planting some fur trees along a property line to help break up the air flow going to your neighbors. That may just help as much as anything.
Compare emissions numbers from a wood stove big enough to heat your home. Do the same for a pellet stove. Even if their emissions numbers match...them look at the size of the exhaust and ask yourself which stove has the smaller exhaust. Which ever has the smallest exhaust means it’s breathing a lot less for the area being heated. At that point look at chimney height as well. It is highly doubtful raising your chimney will appease your neighbors. Now you looked at everything you can to change the situation. The rest is up to the weather and the burden of your neighbor. There is only so much you can do. A pellet stove may not be an option for whatever reason. Perhaps consider planting some fur trees along a property line to help break up the air flow going to your neighbors. That may just help as much as anything.
kennyp2339
Minister of Fire
We’re already good friends. I’ve done so much homework on the issue and talked it over with them as well.they’ve even offered to pitch in some $$. …good neighbors.
The problem is prevailing winds and a swale behind their house that creates an odd turbulence that make the smoke drop to their porch instead of just drifting by overhead.
i love my exisiting stove, and after all of my “research” it seems that a new 2021 cat stove would be cleanest replacement and I’m willing accept the possibility, more efficient with wood. I burn all night so the cat once again makes the most sense.
The problem is the price and finding the right fit for my space.
I sure like my cat stove for the long and low 24 hour burns. Very controllable and more than enough heat for my old house. For skinny, the woodstock company makes some good ones.
I also like the idea above of planting some trees/bushes to help with the direct path of smoke to your neighbor. The leyland cypress I planted along my back fenceline grow three feet per year and quickly become an effective screen and would slow or stop the smoke path. If nothing else, the turbulence from the trees would mix it up to dilute it some.
Is it possible the flue could be extended a little to keep the smoke out of the turbulence on the downwind side of the house, and allow it to rise up and away?
yes, cat stoves burn a little cleaner on an overall average burn cycle but during start ups and reloading you need to bypass for 15-30 min until the cat is up to temp and you will see quite a bit of smoke, more so than a non cat. Maybe the hybrid stoves have eliminated this bypass smoke, jury is still out?
Also these EPA GPH numbers are an overall average of 3 different test burns in low, Med, and high. Many non cats burn under 1 GPH in the lower settings which is where most people burn at.
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