New Blaze King Sirocco And Chinook 20 Info

[Highbeam]

It still kills me to see an undersized cat stove. There is a reason that the princess and King have been so successful, and it's not because the fireboxes are small. Why not spend this development money on a full sized stove? The physical dimensions of a 3-4 CF stove are only slightly larger than this new mini (scirroco).

I must give BK credit for finally putting out some more traditional looking stoves. When I wake up in the morning and my heritage is down to 200 (after a 10 hour burn) I keep telling the wife that if we had a Blaze King the stove would still be cranking. She is not buying the literature about 20-40 hour burn times from any stove after lots of experience with non-cats.

 

[Todd]

It still kills me to see an undersized cat stove. There is a reason that the princess and King have been so successful, and it's not because the fireboxes are small. Why not spend this development money on a full sized stove? The physical dimensions of a 3-4 CF stove are only slightly larger than this new mini (scirroco).

I must give BK credit for finally putting out some more traditional looking stoves. When I wake up in the morning and my heritage is down to 200 (after a 10 hour burn) I keep telling the wife that if we had a Blaze King the stove would still be cranking. She is not buying the literature about 20-40 hour burn times from any stove after lots of experience with non-cats.

They're just opposite of Woodstock. BK needed a mid sized stove and Woodstock needed a large stove. I figure this new BK will be a good fit for smaller homes or someone who is just looking for supplemental heat. The King and Princess are overly large looking in a smaller home.

Have your wife sit down at the computer and take a look at some of the Blaze King threads, maybe it will convince her. Your old Heritage is losing resale value every day. :lol:

 

[markinpdx]

I don't think 1.8 cu ft is 'mini' either, larger than the WS Keystone, isn't it? It can take 16" splits NS or EW, another sign of a mid-sized stove. Sure if you have the space larger is better, but I think it is great that BK is offering varied options to meet different needs. Hope someone here will be the guinea pig, try it out and let us know how it works!

 

[rideau]

Todd- The PH sits so much closer to the wall than the Fireview that the front of the stove...and the front includidng required clearance-is less far into the room than the Fireview. PH doesn't seem at all imposing. If you need the heat, I'm sure it would be just fine in any room that presently houses a Fireview...

 

[cwill]

I am really glad that they finally made a good looking smaller stove. I love the long burn times but the looks of the other BK stoves is terrible. They look very dated to me. this new one looks very much like a Regency or PE stove. 1.8 Cf in a cat stove would be great for my 1100sqft house. If the price is right this could be a big hit for BK. Anyone got an idea on price?

 

[Todd]

Todd- The PH sits so much closer to the wall than the Fireview that the front of the stove...and the front includidng required clearance-is less far into the room than the Fireview. PH doesn't seem at all imposing. If you need the heat, I'm sure it would be just fine in any room that presently houses a Fireview...

My clearances would be fine and my hearth could handle the size just fine but a large 700 lb stove may look out of place in my smallish stove room. I'd like to see some side by side comparisons of all Woodstock stoves. They need to line them up and take a good picture so I can compare size.

 

[Todd]

I don't think 1.8 cu ft is 'mini' either, larger than the WS Keystone, isn't it? It can take 16" splits NS or EW, another sign of a mid-sized stove. Sure if you have the space larger is better, but I think it is great that BK is offering varied options to meet different needs. Hope someone here will be the guinea pig, try it out and let us know how it works!

Keystone is about 1.4 so a little on the smallish side. The Fireview is really about 1.8 like the Sirocco so I'd expect about the same heating capabilities.

 

[markinpdx]

And there seem like a lot of folks pretty happy with the heating capabilities of the Fireview! Now the difference would be in the soapstone modulating heat from the Fireview and the BK thermostat perhaps allowing low burn for an extended period in the Sirocco.

 

[cptoneleg]

Wow, BK made a stove that isn't ugly

Which one is the not ugly one??

 

[phatline]

At first glance I thought the new stoves had a higher efficiency than the older King and Princess. But look: BK is now using LHV (lower heat value) efficiency, rather than the "overall efficiency" they previously used to assign. Funny because they used to say LHV was a misleading value.

Does anyone know how to compare the LHV efficiency rating of the Sirocco 20/Chinook 20 (86.4% LHV) to the overall efficiency rating of the earlier stoves (Princess: 82.5% overall, 92.2% LHV)? Just comparing the LHV values, it seems the Princess is still more efficient.

However, the 1.8 cuft Sirocco and Chinook get a 20 hours-on-low rating, which is the same as the 2.8 cuft Princess. Either the new stoves are indeed much more efficient (hard to believe!) or are capable of an extremely low heat output (and thus burn rate) on low--4114 BTU/hr according to my calculations.

 

[rideau]

Todd,it's heavy but not at all big or imposing. If my Fireview wasn't so darn heavy I'd move it back into the room and photograph it beside this for you. What i was trying to get across (unsuccessfully) is that this stove takes less space in the room than the Fireview. You can get it with the short leg option, in which case it is the same height as the fireview, it is 4 inches wider than the Fireview, and it sticks out into the room 6 inches less far than the fireview if you use the top vent. I was reluctant to use the top vent because I didn't think it would look as elegant, but it does. My stove is light gray, don't know what color yours are, but I'd recommend the light gray for a small room. It's a quiet unimposing color and elegant. The heat is great and the fires are spectacular. Definitely worth considering. Mine is in the same location I had my Fireview. In a large room, 15 1/2 x 45, but in a small sitting area in the room...area about 15 1/2 x 15 1/2, that people walk through. We have more room now.

 

[begreen]

A gentle reminder folks, this thread is about BK's new stoves. There are already at least a dozen PH threads going.

 

[Todd]

That 20 hour burn time was achieved with Western Larch, I wonder if it could go 24 with a good load of Oak or Locust?

 

[joecool85]

Anyone have a price on one of these yet?

 

[ScotO]

Wow, BK made a stove that isn't ugly

Pfft! Blasphemy!

Actually, I really like the look of the Sirocco. I bet those will be popular.

Hope they come out with a Princess-sized firebox. A 2.8 cu ft stove in that design would sell well, I would think.

Sirocco '20' might imply that. Like to see a '40' as well...

I would embrace that stove in a 4' plus firebox......finally a half-decent looking BK!!

 

[eclecticcottage]

It still kills me to see an undersized cat stove. There is a reason that the princess and King have been so successful, and it's not because the fireboxes are small. Why not spend this development money on a full sized stove? The physical dimensions of a 3-4 CF stove are only slightly larger than this new mini (scirroco).

I know you can dial down a cat better than a tube stove, but still, there's those of use with less than 1,000 sq ft to heat that don't need a 3-4 CU firebox. Actually my Republic is techincally oversized for my sq footage, but with our heat loss from glass (original windows that I'm keeping as well as sliding glass doors) and insulation issues I don't forsee changing (walls), we need a bit more stove than the 1250. The Scirroco would have fit our needs quite well if it had been in existance when we bought our stove (and I had even heard of BK so I would have known to look at it).

 

[laura bv]

The Sirocco has some possibilities. Looks very much like a traditional steel stove. Throw some legs on that thing and it would look even better.

My 1st woodstove is a sirocco 20 with legs. I need to get a moisture meter as I don't think my oak is seasoned enough.
I can get a hot fire with 2 logs. BUT I cannot heat up <400 sf to more than 60 degrees and no more than mid 50s in adjoining bedroom. It really does not burn "20 hours" or even 12 hours. In the morning the thermostat is in inactive zone, there are coals enough to start a fire again but there is no real heat output.
Overall I am disappointed - perhaps the 30 would produce more heat. It is my only heat source this year. I am hoping some dry madrone may help with a longer and hotter burn.

 

[begreen]

Poorly seasoned wood is going to disappoint in the best of stoves. You should try some know dry wood to be sure the stove setup is working correctly.

 

[weatherguy]

Laura get some nicely seasoned wood and you'll be telling us a different story, that's your whole problem right there, I had that same problem my first year with the Princess with unseasoned oak, luckily I had plenty of ash to get through the first year, the oak didn't burn all that well the second year either, since then I usually let oak season 3 years unless it reads under 20 with my moisture meter.

 

[webby3650]

My 1st woodstove is a sirocco 20 with legs. I need to get a moisture meter as I don't think my oak is seasoned enough.
I can get a hot fire with 2 logs. BUT I cannot heat up <400 sf to more than 60 degrees and no more than mid 50s in adjoining bedroom. It really does not burn "20 hours" or even 12 hours. In the morning the thermostat is in inactive zone, there are coals enough to start a fire again but there is no real heat output.
Overall I am disappointed - perhaps the 30 would produce more heat. It is my only heat source this year. I am hoping some dry madrone may help with a longer and hotter burn.

It's not the stove! I have the equivalent of the 30 and I get no less than 16 and easily get the 30 hour burn when it's a little milder outside. You should start a new thread and ask for some assistance. You have a fine stove there, it would be a shame to no to learn how to use it properly.

 

[BrowningBAR]

My 1st woodstove is a sirocco 20 with legs. I need to get a moisture meter as I don't think my oak is seasoned enough.
I can get a hot fire with 2 logs. BUT I cannot heat up <400 sf to more than 60 degrees and no more than mid 50s in adjoining bedroom. It really does not burn "20 hours" or even 12 hours. In the morning the thermostat is in inactive zone, there are coals enough to start a fire again but there is no real heat output.
Overall I am disappointed - perhaps the 30 would produce more heat. It is my only heat source this year. I am hoping some dry madrone may help with a longer and hotter burn.

You would have the same problem with the 30. This winter will be a pain in the ass for you. Burning wet would is possible, it just sucks. Keep the door cracked longer, keep the air open longer, use smaller splits and you will get the heat. Get next year's wood sorted out now. And I mean right now. It will make your future winters a LOT easier and enjoyable.

 

[laura bv]

It's not the stove! I have the equivalent of the 30 and I get no less than 16 and easily get the 30 hour burn when it's a little milder outside. You should start a new thread and ask for some assistance. You have a fine stove there, it would be a shame to no to learn how to use it properly.

I don't think I need assistance with how to use the stove. If there are other directions than what Blaze King publishes, then maybe I just need that source. I am just disappointed that I cannot get even half the burn times or heat output as advertised with oak seasoned for a year (and costing $375/cord). I am waiting for a moisture meter to arrive from Amazon to see if it is ONLY that the wood is not seasoned enough although bought from a highly respected local person. Very disappointing and very costly if this stove can't put out.

 

[webbie]

Hmm, a year-old thread about other things....closing it down!

Post any new questions in new or recent threads....so all the info is in some order. Thanks!