Napoleon I40 Convection Blower Too Loud to Run!

[jtakeman]

Finally spoke with Steve Arnold. He corrected any confusion for me regarding sleeve bearings compared to sealed ball bearings and stated his Engineering only recommends sealed ball bearings to withstand heat. I was informed to call customer service for referencing my part. Lady said it's a Fasco D207 which I think is really only the motor. Then the WW Grainger PN 3M084.

No other alternative. I asked if something was maybe changed for that part or manufactured differently in it's recent history and was told no.

Looks like I'll be lubing this one and see if it helps (with the correct oil). Although, reading through all other posts it doesn't appear to resolve it.

Otherwise, people would be stating to clean and oil it 1,2,3 or 4 times a season (whatever) and nothing is wrong with the blower and just basic maintenance is required.

Don't order the D207 from Fasco! That is a 230 Volt motor and would do squat for ya! The Grainger number is non existent. Like I said they really want you to go to your local dealer and buy the replacement. I didn't think they would give you any real info to run with!

Another thing I don't like about the blower you have pictured is the plastic blower wheel. Plastic and heat don't agree. They also slip on the motor shaft and hit the housing. Hopefully geek can post his info from the NPS45. And its the newest motor with the c-frame motor. I also hope it has an aluminum blower wheel.

 

[bjr23]

I had the motor clear apart armature out of it. The fan end bushing was seized up, I finally got it freed up and put the recommended 20 wt. oil in the bushings while it was apart, but upon reassembly it still did not run. The local stove shop want $236 for the complete blower. I'm still tryin' to get some kind of "will fit" replacement cheaper. My brother calls me "CT&I, he said that stood for "Cheap Tight & Inexpensive". He could of added "Broke" too. So yeah, I always trying to find work arounds before shelling out money I don't have. bjr23

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

I had the motor clear apart armature out of it. The fan end bushing was seized up, I finally got it freed up and put the recommended 20 wt. oil in the bushings while it was apart, but upon reassembly it still did not run. The local stove shop want $236 for the complete blower. I'm still tryin' to get some kind of "will fit" replacement cheaper. My brother calls me "CT&I, he said that stood for "Cheap Tight & Inexpensive". He could of added "Broke" too. So yeah, I always trying to find work arounds before shelling out money I don't have. bjr23

Like I said Wood Heat Stoves has the entire blower assembly on their site.

You should also be able to just get the blower motor. Fasco, Grainger, AO Smith and several others are likely to have a suitable motor.

 

[jtakeman]

I had the motor clear apart armature out of it. The fan end bushing was seized up, I finally got it freed up and put the recommended 20 wt. oil in the bushings while it was apart, but upon reassembly it still did not run. The local stove shop want $236 for the complete blower. I'm still tryin' to get some kind of "will fit" replacement cheaper. My brother calls me "CT&I, he said that stood for "Cheap Tight & Inexpensive". He could of added "Broke" too. So yeah, I always trying to find work arounds before shelling out money I don't have. bjr23

Like I said Wood Heat Stoves has the entire blower assembly on their site.

You should also be able to just get the blower motor. Fasco, Grainger, AO Smith and several others are likely to have a suitable motor.

Mr Bear speaks wisely. The housing and the blower wheel(if aluminum) don't go bad often. If there sound you can score a motor for a decent price. You are looking for a CCWSE (counter clockwise shaft end). Check the blower wheel spacing before you remove it. Pretty easy swap too!

 

[save$]

Does your sound like this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNB5XQNbmWk&feature=related

Wow, brings back a forgotten memory! Two months after my stove was first running, my stove also had that same noise. At that time there was a lot of postings on this forum about some people have that same problem and getting no satisfaction from Napoleon. I was still working then, and with the stove in family room and no one in there most of the time, I just let it make it's noise. I kept looking for a solution. One local stove shop was busy replacing motors. He was working with the Napoleon rep.
Low and behold, the noise stopped. (no intervention) That was two years ago. Two other family members with the same stove, bought about the same time, never have mentioned a noise issue.

 

[bjr23]

I had tried a local shop that deals in commercial restaurant equipment and he tried Grainger and some other of his sources and came up empty on a motor. I needed a 1/25 hp, 3000 rpm, 115V, 3-3/8" diameter with a 5/16" shaft. The closet I got was one with a 1/4" diameter shaft. I bit the bullet and went and got the new motor from the local fireplace shop (I needed heat NOW). I wouldn't mind finding the correct motor and having a complete spare. But, I need the motor that's going to fit properly. What ever company that made the old Whitfields really wanted the parts to be ONLY for their products. I've feel like I made a mistake getting into the pellet stove thing if these machines can't be repaired with replacement aftermarket parts. I was shocked that I couldn't even get a replacement motor and it doesn't appear Fasco interested in a niche market or to help the end user. bjr23

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

I had tried a local shop that deals in commercial restaurant equipment and he tried Grainger and some other of his sources and came up empty on a motor. I needed a 1/25 hp, 3000 rpm, 115V, 3-3/8" diameter with a 5/16" shaft. The closet I got was one with a 1/4" diameter shaft. I bit the bullet and went and got the new motor from the local fireplace shop (I needed heat NOW). I wouldn't mind finding the correct motor and having a complete spare. But, I need the motor that's going to fit properly. What ever company that made the old Whitfields really wanted the parts to be ONLY for their products. I've feel like I made a mistake getting into the pellet stove thing if these machines can't be repaired with replacement aftermarket parts. I was shocked that I couldn't even get a replacement motor and it doesn't appear Fasco interested in a niche market or to help the end user. bjr23

I hate to break this to you but you and I are never going to be a Fasco end user, their end users are the stove manufacturers.

Did you ever look at Wood Heat Stoves website?

 

[geek]

jay, last night i could not take a peak at mine....now i'm at work but i really hope i have a change tonight so we can help these guys out. Or what about in the meantime to call an online dealer and ask them, maybe they'll get a very quick response from Napoleon.

 

[GARY24NASCAR]

Thanks! In the mean time tomorrow I'll oil it anyways and see what happens...

 

[GARY24NASCAR]

Cleaning and oiling got me nowhere as expected. I'll look into picking up another fan in a bit (after Christmas). Damn annoying this stuff. Guess it's too much to ask for crap to just work correctly or at least have a company (Napoleon or Fasco) back their product and help the little guy...

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

Unless you use a mechanic's stethoscope to actually isolate the noise it is hard to correct the cause. A blower can be silent off of the stove and make like a banshee when installed on the stove. Air moving over the surfaces and any imperfections on them can wind up being the source of the noise. As can the blowers normal noises beating with another blower running in the same frame can cause noises at various multiples of the difference in rotation rates, and air leaks that are small can cause whistles.

I thought my convection blower had a bad bearing a few days ago, nope one of the four bolt and nut sets had worked loose on the snorkel allowing some of the air to leak past the sharp edges. Blower fine, needed to only put things back together and tighten.

 

[geek]

guys, i really apologize as i have not been able to get a bit of time and take pics of the blower in my stove, it's been NUTS the whole week and not much time left at all, i haven't forgotten....

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[GARY24NASCAR]

No worries...no rush. Thank you

 

[jtakeman]

Came across this and maybe it will work

http://www.electricmotorwarehouse.com/fasco/fasco_blower.htm

Check the first blower in the lineup HB-RBM121

 

[geek]

i was JUST going to update this thread, i removed the right side panel but the motor on the room blower doesn't seem to have visible numbers or nothing, i then looked from behind underneath and saw nothing (couldn't remove back panel at the time), looks like the label could be facing to the inside of the unit hence removal may be necessary??

 

[geek]

gary,

Couple weeks ago i had sent an email to the dealer i bought my NPS45 from and b/c of the holidays Napoleonwas closed, but received some feedback today stating this:

"Ok. Napoleon says it is a Fasco brand blower that is 1600RPM. They won't give me any other info. They said there are different RPMs and heat ratings. If you don't get the part through Napoleon, you'll not only void the warranty but you'll lose the certification. I would recommend, after the discussion with Napoleon, that you use the part from them. Please let me know if you need anything else on this issue."

I asked the dealer to get us a price for it and i will post the info here, may or may not be of your interest due to price but i will post it as soon as i hear back from them.

 

[geek]

gary,

I found out from my dealer that the blower is Napoleon part W062-0021 shipped for $185.00.

Are you checking this thread??

.

 

[save$]

I had the motor clear apart armature out of it. The fan end bushing was seized up, I finally got it freed up and put the recommended 20 wt. oil in the bushings while it was apart, but upon reassembly it still did not run. The local stove shop want $236 for the complete blower. I'm still tryin' to get some kind of "will fit" replacement cheaper. My brother calls me "CT&I, he said that stood for "Cheap Tight & Inexpensive". He could of added "Broke" too. So yeah, I always trying to find work arounds before shelling out money I don't have. bjr23

If you are still looking for that motor, here is a link to a site that has what you are looking for with a price of $155. (broken link removed to http://www.stove-parts-unlimited.com/Napoleon_Pellet_Stove_Parts_s/28.htm?gclid=CJP1-pnDv6YCFQ975Qod4mvIFw) Looks like they have about all the Napoleon parts anyone might need.

 

[geek]

good find save$.
Wonder why napoleon is still providing the "old" part#W062-0022 when that site has a "new" part#W062-0027

Interesting......

 

[GARY24NASCAR]

Thanks guys. I gave up for a while and wasn't running the stove until a couple of weeks ago after purchasing oil at an outrageous price. I was confused here as there are others asking about replacements for their stoves. W062-0021 is my part number. Nothing new from Fasco yet for that. Will wait until they provide a different one and suffer along. Twiddling with certain speeds of the fan I can catch it right to not be as loud. Will have to do for now. Refuse to order the same part number again. Cheers.

 

[GARY24NASCAR]

Ordered the new convection blower W062-0030. Back up and running and quiet...at least for now. See how long this one lasts. Looks like the fan blades in this fan are metal instead of the previous 2 fans which were plastic. Other than that there is no difference (not the open C shape or whatever). Was my only blower option.

$250 = ouch

Gary

 

[geek]

wow, bit expensive....good luck with the new one.
When i looked at the room blower in mine i think the blades are also metal if i remember correctly.