What that describes is a manufacturer's hearth requirement consisting of a good deal more than just non-combustible ember protection. A stack of a brick atop a piece of sheet metal or a brick atop a sheet of millboard...that's telling me that some R-value is necessary. I'd make a real rough guess that the brick/millboard stack would have an R-value approaching 1.5. I don't know what to suggest other than contact your local Authority Having Jurisdiction and come up with a plan that makes everyone happy.
Short of that, if it were my house, I'd at the very least lay a sheet of 26 gauge sheet metal down then the decorative stone/tile/whatever on top of that...meeting or exceeding the size requirement shown. Rick
...I think I'm going to put a piece of 2" thick blue stone and some stone veneer for the surround. Would it be a bad idea to use two 45 degree elbows to get my stove closer to the wall? Would I have updraft issues if I did that?...
...Would it be a bad idea to use two 45 degree elbows to get my stove closer to the wall? ...
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Single wall stovepipe requires 18".
My manual for the stove keeps referring to brick but I'm assuming because the maual was printed in the 80s it's probably dated? I'm sure that tile and stone would be acceptable?
Here's a scan from my manual......
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So you folks describe supporting the weight of the stove by the bottom of the firebox. Not the legs. Are all stoves capable of this? I would think that the cast iron ash pan would easily break if I tried to lift the stove with a jack beneath my hearthstone.
Works just fine with the Heritage.
And the Defiant.
And the Vigilant.
All were put on a dolly and were sitting on the ash pan casting or the bottom of the stove (the vigilant).
Wow, no kidding? Rather than a jack head you used cribbing under the ash pan but above the dolly to elevate the stove until the legs cleared the ground right? On the heritage, the intake plenum is cast into the ash pan assembly and makes an odd shaped base. While risky, this method sure seems effective for a one man operation.
My wall is 13-1/2" from the stove pipe but I'm putting up a brick or stone surround along with a stone base for the stove to sit on.What kind of wall is behind the stove? If it is made of combustible materials you cannot move the stove closer than 25 inches from the wall. The single wall stove pipe must be at least 15.5 inches away. If there is a side wall it must be 27 inches from the side of the stove. This information is from the label on the back of the stove. The same label also requires a hearth pad of at least 3/4 inch asbestos or equivalent. I'm not sure what the R value is for 3/4 asbestos but 3/4 inch mineral fiber board on 26 gauge sheet metal with a cement board/tile top should probably do it.
The stove you have was tested in June 1988 and appears to be a Harmony catalytic stove. What condition is the cat in?
KaptJaq
Exactly what I did , but I just took off the legs. Adding a planks allowed the stove to be supported right where you wanted it, not doing any damage. I think much nicer to move then a hand cart .Yep. I used 2x4 planks with the dolly to increase clearances. Slide dolly under stove. Lift to one side, insert plank. Lift to other side, insert plank. Repeat until legs are off the ground. Then wheel stove to desired location.
My wall is 13-1/2" from the stove pipe but I'm putting up a brick or stone surround along with a stone base for the stove to sit on.
After reading the rest of my manual especially after you mentioned the cat, I believe the cat is bad. I noticed the last couple of years the creosote build up in the chimney was real bad! I've been using the stove 10 years now and the previous owners for 3 years. I'm not sure how long this stove has been in this house but I don't think the cat was ever replaced. Can I even get a replacement for this stove or should I just invest in a new stove?
I'm really nervous with this stove now.......
Thanks for the replies KaptJaq!Let the forum know what you plan to do (materials, thickness, etc) for the surround/hearth and the clearances you will have. I'm sure the members here will comment and guide you in the right direction.
If the cat is over 5 years old it is probably shot. There are a number of places that sell replacement catalytic converters at reasonable prices. I don't have a cat but someone with a cat stove could probably recommend a source... A new stove will be more efficient and can give you the latest in technology and safety features. It is your budget and decision.
From what I've seen it is a reasonable stove. If it is good condition and not warped or cracked from over-firing it can be safely re-installed and used. Replace the cat, watch your CTC (clearances to combustibles),check the thermal resistance on the pad, and ask if you are in doubt. My Godin stove was originally installed in 1979 and is still used 24/7 during the season.
If you do have any concerns about the stove get a professional to inspect it.
I would suggest that you start new threads relating to specific questions going forward...
KaptJaq
You can still get catalysts for the Efel. This was a good heater. If it's in good condition I wouldn't be overly concerned. A replacement cat is available here: http://www.woodstovecombustors.com/combustor_search.html. Just type in Efel in the search box. You should come up with this result:
CC-303 Size 2.6 x 14.3 x 2.5 25 Cells Canned - $181
If you decide on going for a new stove, can you post a bit more information about the house and space that is to be heated? A picture of the current setup would also be helpful. And let us know a bit more about the style stove that appeals to both of you.
If you decide on going for a new stove, can you post a bit more information about the house and space that is to be heated? A picture of the current setup would also be helpful. And let us know a bit more about the style stove that appeals to both of you.
How much do you think it would cost me to replace that hearth with brick again? I've got a couple guys giving me quotes but it's been two weeks and I haven't heard back from them!
That's true, but when I asked for the quotes I was intending on putting my old stove on it. I'm hoping to go looking tommorow but most of the stove stores around here are closed for the long weekend.I would choose a stove first then get quotes on the hearth. You have to make sure that the thermal resistance ("R" value) of the hearth is adequate for the stove.
KaptJaq
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