Large wood stove in a pole barn....

[bholler]

It would be helpful if you actually quoted the code for all of us to interpret it. Also, I don't think the OP was going to build a garage but a shop.

Seriously, think about everybody that might read this thread and how the actual code means so much more than your personal interpretation. You obviously feel strongly about it so why don't you be helpful and follow through.? As a "staff" member you owe us the documentation for your claims.

I have followed through many times and every time you simply say don't call it a garage but here you go.

https://www.hearth.com/talk/attachments/9fd208d7-470d-4019-843a-049bff9018b4-png.231634/

 

[bholler]

And for the record that is an older version the newer versions have dropped the residential qualifier from garage. It now says a solid fuel burner shall not be installed in any garage.

 

[Highbeam]

And for the record that is an older version the newer versions have dropped the residential qualifier from garage. It now says a solid fuel burner shall not be installed in any garage.

That's a start but obviously not the current code since it has strike throughs, marked as 2002, and you say it's not even right about the garage thing? Come on. Get the real thing. This is about safety.

Plus it doesn't say you can't work on cars, or park cars, it just says where gasoline or any other flammable vapors may be present. VAPORS.

I don't think you've ever actually provided this but you've interpreted the heck out of it. I tried to help you but can't find it online for free. I only have the 2015 IFC on the shelf.

 

[bholler]

That's a start but obviously not the current code since it has strike throughs, marked as 2002, and you say it's not even right about the garage thing? Come on. Get the real thing. This is about safety.

Plus it doesn't say you can't work on cars, or park cars, it just says where gasoline or any other flammable vapors may be present. VAPORS.

I don't think you've ever actually provided this but you've interpreted the heck out of it.

I have the current books that I paid for. And it clearly says I can't duplicate it so no I am not taking a pic of it for you. The code is exactly the same other than it no longer says residential garage.

And no it doesn't say you can't work on cars but how are you going to work on a car in that space without gasoline being present?

 

[Highbeam]

I have the current books that I paid for. And it clearly says I can't duplicate it so no I am not taking a pic of it for you. The code is exactly the same other than it no longer says residential garage.

And no it doesn't say you can't work on cars but how are you going to work on a car in that space without gasoline being present?

Easy, don't open up the fuel system. It says "gasoline or other flammable fuel vapors". Cars have had vapor recovery systems on them now for decades.

The whole concept of "garage" is undefined. Means different things to different people.

It's too bad you can't actually provide the alleged fire code for people to read and understand. They can then decide how they want to interpret it. You can even make it a sticky with your "staff" powers.

Didn't you let your guild membership lapse?

 

[bholler]

That is the code. If you are claiming it isn't provide a link to that chapter of the current book to prove it.

 

[bholler]

Easy, don't open up the fuel system. It says "gasoline or other flammable fuel vapors". Cars have had vapor recovery systems on them now for decades.

The whole concept of "garage" is undefined. Means different things to different people.

It's too bad you can't actually provide the alleged fire code for people to read and understand. They can then decide how they want to interpret it. You can even make it a sticky with your "staff" powers.

Didn't you let your guild membership lapse?

Enough just because you don't like the code doesn't mean it isn't valid.

And no I didn't let my guild membership lapse but even if I did that doesn't change the code.

 

[WinterinWI]

I'm curious, does the code define "garage" or do they leave that interpretation up to local inspectors?

 

[SpaceBus]

It seems the best solution is an outdoor wood boiler and in floor heating or hot water radiators. Maybe an outdoor wood furnace ducted into the shop.

 

[bholler]

I'm curious, does the code define "garage" or do they leave that interpretation up to local inspectors?

The term garage is covered by common knowledge definitions which refer to a major dictionary for their definitions. I don't remember which one it was though and it was a pita to find it last time I looked. But it is defined.

 

[Highbeam]

I'm curious, does the code define "garage" or do they leave that interpretation up to local inspectors?

Good question.

 

[electrathon]

I'm curious, does the code define "garage" or do they leave that interpretation up to local inspectors?

Our building inspector (I work for a small town) told me a couple years back that he would allow a woodstove in a shop. Said he saw/approved them fairly often.

 

[bholler]

Our building inspector (I work for a small town) told me a couple years back that he would allow a woodstove in a shop. Said he saw/approved them fairly often.

That doesn't mean it meets code unless he gives you a written waiver for the code violations. It could present a problem if there was an insurance claim.

To be clear I don't have an issue with people doing this. Infact I have a wood stove in one of my garages. I just want to make sure people understand it is infact against code and that can present problems. I know that if I filed a claim for my garage related to that wood stove it would likely be denied. I am ok with that risk and the garage is several hundred yards from any other stucture so it would not threaten anything else.

 

[Highbeam]

That doesn't mean it meets code unless he gives you a written waiver for the code violations. It could present a problem if there was an insurance claim.

To be clear I don't have an issue with people doing this. Infact I have a wood stove in one of my garages. I just want to make sure people understand it is infact against code and that can present problems. I know that if I filed a claim for my garage related to that wood stove it would likely be denied. I am ok with that risk and the garage is several hundred yards from any other stucture so it would not threaten anything else.

Would you sell your home with the stove still located in your garage? Thinking about liability to the future buyers.

 

[bholler]

Would you sell your home with the stove still located in your garage? Thinking about liability to the future buyers.

No I would not.

 

[SpaceBus]

I was thinking an outdoor wood boiler or furnace would get around this code issue, but it seems most areas expect you to pull a permit for such a thing.

@Highbeam did you need to pull permits for your shop? I know you live in Canada, but I'm still curious. My phone thinks I'm in Canada half the time anyway

 

[Highbeam]

I was thinking an outdoor wood boiler or furnace would get around this code issue, but it seems most areas expect you to pull a permit for such a thing.

@Highbeam did you need to pull permits for your shop? I know you live in Canada, but I'm still curious. My phone thinks I'm in Canada half the time anyway

I’m in Washington state near Tacoma. I pulled a permit and passed an inspection. No problem at all, just needed to elevate it 18” like a furnace or water heater. My insurance provider also approved.