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Probably your best bet will be to use the search window on the site to look for "Little Cod" which was the name of the stove, the thread that mentioned it had a link to the manufacturer who makes a couple of other models, I think there was one that was slightly larger, and another that had the oven.
These are stoves that reproduce designs that have been used for many years, going back to the old sailing ships. They look great, and appear well designed for use in heating small spaces. The person we pointed at them was looking for a stove to put in a tree house. I don't think we had any posters that had used them, but the company had some good sounding testimonials on their website for whatever that is worth.
Gooserider
These are stoves that reproduce designs that have been used for many years, going back to the old sailing ships. They look great, and appear well designed for use in heating small spaces. The person we pointed at them was looking for a stove to put in a tree house. I don't think we had any posters that had used them, but the company had some good sounding testimonials on their website for whatever that is worth.
Gooserider
They are attractive stoves and use little space but we have decided to go with the Joul 602. Thanks for the link. I would not have thought about a boat stove.
Makettle
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The 602 is ideal, I dont understand others saying to you that it wont burn for long periods, mine burns 24/7 and the lack of ashpan is easy, I have a steel bucket and a small shovel and it only ever needs emptied after about 8 or 9 days of continual use, it makes a lot less ash than other stoves !
As for the log size, 40cm is a long log and logs should always be split narrow so as to dry out correctly and not tar up your chimney.
It is a stove that can be slowed right down, without creosoting the glass or can be burnt quite rapidly to heat you up quick.
Go for the 602 its the largest selling stove worldwide and for good reasons !! Ive been using the 602 for 27 years !!
As for the log size, 40cm is a long log and logs should always be split narrow so as to dry out correctly and not tar up your chimney.
It is a stove that can be slowed right down, without creosoting the glass or can be burnt quite rapidly to heat you up quick.
Go for the 602 its the largest selling stove worldwide and for good reasons !! Ive been using the 602 for 27 years !!
Angus said:
Thanks for the info! Do you have the newer EPA model or the older one?
We are going to pick up our 602 tomorrow and hopefully we'll get it installed this weekend. We'll post pics on our website once we get back.
makettle
Hello Makeetle, I have the newer one with the glass door and cleanburn. I also have something quite rare, a high top, this makes the stoves about 5 ft tall, it has a door on the front and acts like a convector.
I ll send you photos of it when i get home from sea.
What model you going for?
When I said it burns 24 /7, that is true, but its not full flame, what you have to do is load up before bedtime, then the next day, if you rake the ashes, and stick a log on, open the vent it will relight. The ash always contains embers that will re-ignite, even a day after the last log has been burnt. Not many stoves will do this.
Its the best stove I ve ever used and I ve had some pretty expensive stoves (I had a Jotul 301 that cost about $3000 US, a good stove but had to be re-kindled .
the next day, after many years of use, the wife and I use it as our booze cabinet now)
Good luck with it and I hope you like it, let me know how you get on with your 602.
Angus
I ll send you photos of it when i get home from sea.
What model you going for?
When I said it burns 24 /7, that is true, but its not full flame, what you have to do is load up before bedtime, then the next day, if you rake the ashes, and stick a log on, open the vent it will relight. The ash always contains embers that will re-ignite, even a day after the last log has been burnt. Not many stoves will do this.
Its the best stove I ve ever used and I ve had some pretty expensive stoves (I had a Jotul 301 that cost about $3000 US, a good stove but had to be re-kindled .
the next day, after many years of use, the wife and I use it as our booze cabinet now)
Good luck with it and I hope you like it, let me know how you get on with your 602.
Angus
As noted in the Jotul 118 thread, the 602 will not provide an overnight burn if you mean producing meaningful heat over say 8 hrs. It may hold coals for 6-8 hrs, depending on the wood. But then, many stoves will. But producing meaningful heat (stove warmer than say 300 degrees) for more than about 3-4 hrs is not going to happen with this stove. For 24/7 heat you will need to give up some sleep.
Nice little stove and a champion heater for its size, but not an overnighter.
Nice little stove and a champion heater for its size, but not an overnighter.
Seems like we have a major disconnect on the definition of "overnight burn" or even just "burn time" in general. It isn't helped by the manufacturer's (mis?)use of the term.
I don't know what the fix should be - perhaps we need a complete new set of terms with more specific definitions?
How about -
Heating Time = How long the stove should stay at / near operating temperature when set for a low heating burn - say 400* or better? How long will it give useful heat?
Reload Time = How long the stove will retain enough coals to light a new load of wood off and return the stove to operating temperature w/o kindling or heavy manipulating- Just open the door and throw in a bunch of normal size splits. Maybe scoop some ashes and stir the coals a bit, but that's all.
Rekindle Time = How long the stove will keep enough coals to allow the fire to be rebuilt w/ kindling and gradual fuel addition, i.e. like a cold start except no match needed.
Ember Time = What the stove brochure says, or how long you might be able to find an ember if you dig through the ashes :coolhmm:
By these definitions, it sounds like BG is talking about "Heating Time" while Angus is talking "Reload time" or possibly "Rekindle time"
Does this make sense?
Gooserider
I don't know what the fix should be - perhaps we need a complete new set of terms with more specific definitions?
How about -
Heating Time = How long the stove should stay at / near operating temperature when set for a low heating burn - say 400* or better? How long will it give useful heat?
Reload Time = How long the stove will retain enough coals to light a new load of wood off and return the stove to operating temperature w/o kindling or heavy manipulating- Just open the door and throw in a bunch of normal size splits. Maybe scoop some ashes and stir the coals a bit, but that's all.
Rekindle Time = How long the stove will keep enough coals to allow the fire to be rebuilt w/ kindling and gradual fuel addition, i.e. like a cold start except no match needed.
Ember Time = What the stove brochure says, or how long you might be able to find an ember if you dig through the ashes :coolhmm:
By these definitions, it sounds like BG is talking about "Heating Time" while Angus is talking "Reload time" or possibly "Rekindle time"
Does this make sense?
Gooserider
Hello Gooserider, yeah, your right to point this out, I think there maybe some differant terminology in the States that i m not used to.
Both the 602 and the 118 I would class by you definitions as 24/7 due to Reload time and not Heating time. Generally the stoves will be left for about 8-10 hours and thats when the ash is raked, the stick goes on and it relights, without any kindling or manipulation, this happens virtually everytime, thats why I call it a 24/7 stove, which maybe wrong, but its one of the few stoves I have seen that will reload the next day without trouble.
Thanks for the explanation
Angus
Both the 602 and the 118 I would class by you definitions as 24/7 due to Reload time and not Heating time. Generally the stoves will be left for about 8-10 hours and thats when the ash is raked, the stick goes on and it relights, without any kindling or manipulation, this happens virtually everytime, thats why I call it a 24/7 stove, which maybe wrong, but its one of the few stoves I have seen that will reload the next day without trouble.
Thanks for the explanation
Angus
THe 602 sounds like just what you're looking for. I would think anything smaller and you've have a combination of slow to heat up your place and constant reloading. I have a 602 (the new one) in a 180 square foot one room study. it is perfect for the space. the firebox heats up super fast, so it is humming along with good secondary burn within a couple of minutes, and brings the space up from 40 degrees to a nice 65 (or 80) within fifteen minutes. I also have an F3 CB, which is a great stove, but takes a lot longer before it is hot enough to start really heating up the room. I don't bother running my 602 continuously because it is so easy to fire up and that would give me more heat than I need (though this is my first year with it and it hasn't really been that cold yet. generally I load it up with 4 pretty small splits. it burns well for about 1.5-2 hours, then coals for an hour after that, then if I want to, I can reload and it will fire up pretty easily on the remaining coals.
I can't imagine that this wouldn't be good enough to heat your place overnight. you won't have coals in the morning, and the place will probably have cooled off a lot, but you will get a solid 3-4 hours of good heat out of it. If you place is well enough insulated to keep some of that heat in for 4 hours, then you're fine-- make a fire first thing in the morning, and it will be toasty again in no time.
my study is reasonably well insulated, but nothing special, , has a big single pane picture window and has some reasonably serious leaks at the moment since I haven't bothered with a bunch of weatherstripping, etc. when I left it at 7 last night I reloaded the stove, so when the stove went out it was probably aroun 75. this morning at 8 it was about 50, now (15 min later) back up to 65 (low last night was about 20 degrees).
If you take just basic measures to keep the heat inside your cabin, I would think you'd find the 602 excellent for your purposes-- with one of it's main virtues being that when you drive up to the place and want to heat it up quickly, the 602 will perform.
I can't imagine that this wouldn't be good enough to heat your place overnight. you won't have coals in the morning, and the place will probably have cooled off a lot, but you will get a solid 3-4 hours of good heat out of it. If you place is well enough insulated to keep some of that heat in for 4 hours, then you're fine-- make a fire first thing in the morning, and it will be toasty again in no time.
my study is reasonably well insulated, but nothing special, , has a big single pane picture window and has some reasonably serious leaks at the moment since I haven't bothered with a bunch of weatherstripping, etc. when I left it at 7 last night I reloaded the stove, so when the stove went out it was probably aroun 75. this morning at 8 it was about 50, now (15 min later) back up to 65 (low last night was about 20 degrees).
If you take just basic measures to keep the heat inside your cabin, I would think you'd find the 602 excellent for your purposes-- with one of it's main virtues being that when you drive up to the place and want to heat it up quickly, the 602 will perform.
Hello Stovepipe, I agree with what you say.
The 602 is the easiest to use stove I ve ever had, my wife is a Doctor, so obviously highly intelligent, but when it comes to technical things shes a techno retard (sorry wife), she finds the 602 easy to use, unlike our last stove, which had black soot all over the glass due to not remembering what primary and secondry air was all about.
After raking the ash, it is very easy to relight. We use the 602 24/7 without getting up early to reload and without complications. It heats a room of 85 sq metres, not sure what that is in feet. The room is well insullated, so its still warm when we come down the next morning.Angus
The 602 is the easiest to use stove I ve ever had, my wife is a Doctor, so obviously highly intelligent, but when it comes to technical things shes a techno retard (sorry wife), she finds the 602 easy to use, unlike our last stove, which had black soot all over the glass due to not remembering what primary and secondry air was all about.
After raking the ash, it is very easy to relight. We use the 602 24/7 without getting up early to reload and without complications. It heats a room of 85 sq metres, not sure what that is in feet. The room is well insullated, so its still warm when we come down the next morning.Angus
That's a good description stovepipe. Box stoves like the 602, 118, VC Aspen or Morso 2B load north/south. The air feeds right into the fire and the smoke path carries the heat right through the entire length of the wood. This gets it charred and releasing heat quickly. The little 602 stove burns fast and brightly and it's very easy to use, but in practice it needs to be refueled every 2-3 hours in the cold season.
Angus said:
I think it's not just a US vs. UK difference Angus - we get the same sort of confusion over here on our own :red: and it sometimes gets hard to tell the difference in terms of reload time vs. heating time... I know I wouldn't consider a stove to be a good 24/7 heater unless it had good long Heating times... I just got started burning my newly installed Encore a few days ago, and I'm finding that stove to be really fantastic.
My old smoke dragon (#2 in my sig) had a 4-6 hour heating time, though I could get an easy 12 hour reload time and almost 24 hour re-kindle time. It used 26" logs, and I got about a day and a half worth of burning out of one fillup of my firewood cart. It made lots of smoke, and I had to clean the chimney at least once over the course of the heating season.
The Encore gives me an easy 8-10 hours of heating time, sometimes 12, but it does not hold coals - once the fire burns down past a certain point, it goes out with just a few scattered charcoals remaining. I would say that the reload time is basically the same as the heating time, and re-kindle time is only about 14 hours. However it is nice to only need to feed the stove once or twice a day to keep steady heat going, with a stove top temp between 400-700*F. I'm also now burning an 18" split, and my firewood cart piled to the same height (but with shorter splits, so less volume of wood) lasts me 2-3 days, and I feel like I'm getting MUCH more heat from the stove.
This is only a little bit of a brag, mostly it's to show what I mean in terms of the difference - I would define the Encore as a 24/7 stove, but not the 602... My old smoke dragon would have been right on the line.
We picked our 602 up last weekend and did a couple of lower temp burns outside to begin the seasoning process. We ended up getting the wrong the stove pipe... dealer gaves us insulated chimney pipe(!). After double checking our clearances, we can go with single wall stove pipe, so our first indoor burn should be next week... now that we have the right stuff.
We've updated the website with a couple of pics of the stove partially installed.
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We've updated the website with a couple of pics of the stove partially installed.
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Thats a nice little Cabin Pakeetle and, I think you made the right choice of stove for it.
Sorry to hear they made the mistake with the fleu pipe, theres nothing worse than itching to get the stove on for the first time. Good luck with it.
As for the terminology, Scotland uses the same lingo for stoves as the rest of Europe, so its a differance between Europe and the USA.
Gooserider and I were discussing the burn times.
To save confusion, I ll not label it, but I get the 602 stove hot 24/7, just by raking the ash in the morning and putting more wood on.
Have any of you heard of a Jotul 301 ? I have one in another room and there are never any burning embers the next morning, so the fire had to be relight everyday, it is a brilliant stove, its had 6 years of constant use, but thats a pain to make the fire everyday, so we swapped it out with the Jotul Bear.
Is an Encore a Vermont stove? We hardly see Vermont stoves for sale here now, they used to be common.
Sorry to hear they made the mistake with the fleu pipe, theres nothing worse than itching to get the stove on for the first time. Good luck with it.
As for the terminology, Scotland uses the same lingo for stoves as the rest of Europe, so its a differance between Europe and the USA.
Gooserider and I were discussing the burn times.
To save confusion, I ll not label it, but I get the 602 stove hot 24/7, just by raking the ash in the morning and putting more wood on.
Have any of you heard of a Jotul 301 ? I have one in another room and there are never any burning embers the next morning, so the fire had to be relight everyday, it is a brilliant stove, its had 6 years of constant use, but thats a pain to make the fire everyday, so we swapped it out with the Jotul Bear.
Is an Encore a Vermont stove? We hardly see Vermont stoves for sale here now, they used to be common.
Yes, the Encore is a Vermont Castings stove, the one I have is the catalytic version, there is also a Non-cat version that uses their "Everburn" technology, but which some users are reporting problems with.
The cat model is definitely an "old reliable" design - they've been making it with only slight changes since the late 1980's. The design has changed so little, that all the Encore stoves use the same cat.
I've only been using this stove for a couple of weeks and I'm seriously hooked on it. Compared to my old smoke dragon, I'm burning half the wood, getting a bunch more heat, and enjoying far longer burn times. What's not to like?
Gooserider
The cat model is definitely an "old reliable" design - they've been making it with only slight changes since the late 1980's. The design has changed so little, that all the Encore stoves use the same cat.
I've only been using this stove for a couple of weeks and I'm seriously hooked on it. Compared to my old smoke dragon, I'm burning half the wood, getting a bunch more heat, and enjoying far longer burn times. What's not to like?
Gooserider
PK here again...
We got the stove all set up and burning over the holiday. We ran the stove top thermometer up to about 500 to get things comfortable. It was pretty cold for this area and time of year (25 F) and we haven't insulated yet, but we were comfortable for the most part.
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Thanks for all the info! I've been lurking on the board for quite awhile.
PK
We got the stove all set up and burning over the holiday. We ran the stove top thermometer up to about 500 to get things comfortable. It was pretty cold for this area and time of year (25 F) and we haven't insulated yet, but we were comfortable for the most part.
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Thanks for all the info! I've been lurking on the board for quite awhile.
PK
Thanks. We weren't very aggressive on the temps or the wood volume, so the burn time was fairly short. I'm guessing we got about 3 hours before the stove temp really dropped. I was up quite a few times during the night, but I didn't check my watch.BeGreen said:
One thing we ran into, was since we closed the air all the way down, there were a bunch of unburned coals at the back of the fire box. This made it difficult to add splits of any decent size. Next time we will probably run the air open a bit to get a hotter burn with less coals.
PK
That's what we aimed for but the air intake is in the door and the bottom of the fire box is only maybe an inch below the door opening. So you have to be really careful or coals just fall out the front of the stove. It's a 'lil bugger.BeGreen said:
PK
No worry, you'll get it down soon. Yes, most of us front loaders deal with this from time to time. That's where having a good hearth and the right tools handy helps a lot.
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