Hudson River WestPoint Control Panel

[Don2222]

Just a hair past

Well from what was explained to me by Mike Holton who is QA manager at Englander is:

There needs to be enough space around the igniter so the Hot Air can get into the burn pot and lite the wood pellets. Usually that space is 1/8"

So if the head of the igniter is even with the burn pot, then there may not be enough space to properly ignite the wood pellets. Igniter position is crucial and pulling it back a hair may lite the pellets alot quicker! See my HR WP igniter pics below.

 

[IHATEPROPANE]

Good info....will keep it in mind if I ever replace it

 

[Don2222]

Good info....will keep it in mind if I ever replace it

You are welcome.

Do you still use the Lytherm gasket for the convection blower?

I got some Hi Temperature (500 Deg F) Silicon Orange Rubber Sheets 1/8" think to cut my own room blower gaskets!
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005JFRB7Q/ref=biss_dp_t_asn

The 1/8" thick is much more vibration absorbing and the gasket is completely reusable for a long long time!

Better than paying $32.24 for an OEM gasket!
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See pics below

Pic 1 - Fasco Motor specs for Hudson River WestPoint convection blower
Pic 2 - New Re-Usable Orange Silicon Rubber Convection Blower Flange Gasket
Pic 3 - Blower mounted in Stove
Pic 4 - Old crumbled Lytherm Gasket next to new Silicon Orange Rubber Gasket

 

[IHATEPROPANE]

Yeah I just have the regular gasket material. The rubber gasket you found sounds promising

 

[Don2222]

Yeah I just have the regular gasket material. The rubber gasket you found sounds promising

Yes, It is good up to 500 Deg F so the 250 Hi Limit switch will shut down way before that!

It is much more Re-Usable, good to stop Vibration being transmitted to the stove and best of all CHEAP!

 

[Don2222]

Hello

Well, I called Amanda's Fireplaces in Hudson NY.
There is an Updated Hudson River West Point Control Panel for $121.00 that has Auto-On/Off on the T-stat in addition to the existing Auto-Hi/Lo and manual modes.
Part # of new control board is HRSP 137S

You can order by phone. 518-828-9337
http://www.amandasfireplaces.com/

 

[Don2222]

Hello

I finally found the issue with the Hudson River West Point Original Control panel. Sometimes it acts flakey! Probably not all control panels but enough for Hudson River to come up with the upgraded panel and maybe why this stove got a bad reputation. It really is a good stove!

The owner told me that sometimes it over feeds the pellets. In my short testing I did not see that until the other day. It was weird. Just after the completion of the Startup cycle I tried changing the heat level. The heat level will not change during the start cycle that is how it works. So when I changed the heat level the room blower did not increase in speed when the heat level increased. That is how it should work! Also it seemed like it was over feeding pellets but actually from what I saw, the exhaust fan was not going as fast as it should for the heat level setting. So the flakey problem is how the fans are controlled with the changes in heat level setting.

New upgraded control panel is on order. Problem Resolved! ! !

 

[IHATEPROPANE]

Hello

I finally found the issue with the Hudson River West Point Original Control panel. Sometimes it acts flakey! Probably not all control panels but enough for Hudson River to come up with the upgraded panel and maybe why this stove got a bad reputation. It really is a good stove!

The owner told me that sometimes it over feeds the pellets. In my short testing I did not see that until the other day. It was weird. Just after the completion of the Startup cycle I tried changing the heat level. The heat level will not change during the start cycle that is how it works. So when I changed the heat level the room blower did not increase in speed when the heat level increased. That is how it should work! Also it seemed like it was over feeding pellets but actually from what I saw, the exhaust fan was not going as fast as it should for the heat level setting. So the flakey problem is how the fans are controlled with the changes in heat level setting.

New upgraded control panel is on order. Problem Resolved! ! !

Not sure which board you have compared to my board. But mine works like this. About 30it seconds inti startup the heat level lights up. At this time you can select the heat level it will go to after startup is complete. You can also turn the convection blower on high at this time. However the blower will go to the selected heat level speed when startup is complete. So if you want high convection speed on a setting lower than five you have to set it at this time. I have not had any overfeeding issues......

 

[Don2222]

Not sure which board you have compared to my board. But mine works like this. About 30it seconds inti startup the heat level lights up. At this time you can select the heat level it will go to after startup is complete. You can also turn the convection blower on high at this time. However the blower will go to the selected heat level speed when startup is complete. So if you want high convection speed on a setting lower than five you have to set it at this time. I have not had any overfeeding issues......

Hello Ihatepropane

Well I got the "Upgraded" control panel for the Hudson River West Point today and it was a little bit of a surprise!

Control Panel Part Description on Invoice from Amanda's Fireplaces in Hudson NY!
HRSP 137S Sarnac and West Point Replacement Control Board New Pn 63417 -- $120

The number on the Control Panel PC board component side is 88E 94V0 0840
The number on the white sticker Land side is 301092

Looks like the Jumper Set on Pins 2-3 means it is set for the HR West Point?
It must be a different setting for the HR Sarnac. See Yellow Arrows Below.
Cannot read ROM Chip number because of blue dots. See Red Arrow in pic below!

It is an Enviro Control Panel!
Looks just like this one for $276.50 ! ! ! !
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That is really good because it is Supported and has the Auto-On/Off or Auto-Hi/Lo on the T-Stat in addition to the manual mode operation! My customer will be very happy with the T-Stat operation!

Do you have pics of your control panels?

 

[IHATEPROPANE]

By board is the same as your old one with westpoint written on it

 

[IHATEPROPANE]

There is a third board that I think is older.

 

[Don2222]

There is a third board that I think is older.

What do you mean?

 

[IHATEPROPANE]

My stove came with a different board....it was bad....would occasionally pop the fuse when the convection blower turned on. I actually have a new one like that never used....so I don't know if it works. I will upload pictures if it later

 

[Don2222]

My stove came with a different board....it was bad....would occasionally pop the fuse when the convection blower turned on. I actually have a new one like that never used....so I don't know if it works. I will upload pictures if it later

Ok, that will be good.

I called Amanda's fireplace back and asked for a spec sheet for this control board. They had nothing. All the parts guy knew was this board is made by the same control board manufacturer as the Enviro boards but it is made exclusively for the Hudson River West Point and Sarnac stoves. What bothers me is that the HR West Point is 70k BTU and the Sarnac is 48K BTU so what are the feed rates on this board. He said noone every asked him about this and he did not have an answer! He claims it should be the same as the old board? ? ?
Looks like the jumper setting is there for the different stoves. The board came with the jumper set to 2-3 but how can I be sure that is the higher feed rate for the Hudson River West Point?

If it is a bog standard generic DSC controller then either Enviro or the Board MFG should have the specs but he felt that BAC Sales did not have anything more because this board is all they got from them!

 

[IHATEPROPANE]

Actually my spare looks the same as your upgraded one. It was the same as my faulty board so I thought the one I have on there now was the newer one. But you say it is the original board. Do you know where I can get an igniter?

 

[Don2222]

Actually my spare looks the same as your upgraded one. It was the same as my faulty board so I thought the one I have on there now was the newer one. But you say it is the original board. Do you know where I can get an igniter?

Thanks for posting the picture. Yes your spare is the upgraded board by the same company that makes all the Enviro Control Boards. It has the Auto-On/Off feature for T-Stat, good for spring and fall when it is warm during the day! The stove will shut completely off! The Auto-Hi/Lo is only good for the cold winter months to keep the house warm by going to Lo when the T-Stat does not call for heat.

The cheapest way to get an ignitor is to remove the old one. Find out how many watts it is and measure the length and the diameter. Then match it up with one at Grainger. I did that for the 25-PDV and got one for $25 ! !

The Hudson River West Point and Sarnac Stoves I hear takes a 6.25 inch long 300 watt igniter so this 6" long igniter from Grainger will do the trick for cheap money!

You should pull out the ignitor and measure it first!

$27.30 for 5" long
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$36.60 for 6" long
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[Don2222]

Hi Ihatepropane

I just made up these instructions for our new upgraded Enviro style control boards. Check it out.

Looks like we have the Enviro DHC 3000 Generation II control board according to this service manual ! ! !
http://www.enviro.com/images/manuals-brochures/tech-manuals/C-10800 Instruction PELLET Service Manual 1 of 2.pdf

Quote from manual
"DHC 3000 Generation II - This board has a horizontal slide switch on the front and only one (1) fuse (see Figure 12). Do not adjust the pins on the back of the Generation II board."

Also I believe I found the Jumper Settings Answer from the picture below! ! !
The 70k BTU Hudson River West Point should have the Jumper on Pins 2-3

The Hudson River Sarnac stove would have the jumper on pins 3-4 because it is 50k BTU! ! ! !

 

[Don2222]

Hello

The new upgrade board is plug and play so I plugged it right in.

However I did verify that the jumper on my new control board was set to 70K BTU like it should be for the West Point, So I fired it up today!

It worked fine and operation was smooth. The old control board worked too but after seeing it act flakey that one time, I am glad to have a much more reliable control board! Of course the big benefit is the addition of the Auto-On/Off which is a great feature for use in the shoulder months!

The old board had a break in the membrane covering the On/Off button so it looks much better!

This new board makes the stove worth more!

Thanks All for your comments and help. It was a tough one, but now the case of the flakey acting and sometimes fuse blowing HR control board has been resolved!

 

[IHATEPROPANE]

Great work Don....you were very thorough and all this info is very useful to me and perhaps others

 

[Ray's lawn care]

Great work Don....you were very thorough and all this info is very useful to me and perhaps others

I have the West Point and no matter what setting its on the burn pot fills just a metter of how fast if on 1 then like every 14-16 hrs if on 2 then every 10- 12. Is this similar to the problems you guys were having? Did getting the new control board fix it? If so where can I get one?

 

[Don2222]

I have the West Point and no matter what setting its on the burn pot fills just a metter of how fast if on 1 then like every 14-16 hrs if on 2 then every 10- 12. Is this similar to the problems you guys were having? Did getting the new control board fix it? If so where can I get one?

The upgraded Hudson River board fixed my problem. I have it on my web site now. Please email me for more info. Thanks

 

[Ray's lawn care]

The upgraded Hudson River board fixed my problem. I have it on my web site now. Please email me for more info. Thanks

The "upgraded" controller made no change in the length of time my burn pot fills any other suggestions?

 

[Don2222]

The "upgraded" controller made no change in the length of time my burn pot fills any other suggestions?

Did you check to see if the jumper on the back of the new board was set correctly for your stove?

It it is set correctly check all the venting to assure it is clean. Could be dirty causing less air flow.

 

[DexterDay]

Control board wont fix a dirty/plugged stove

When was the last time all internal passages were cleaned? Vent cleaned?

 

[Ray's lawn care]

I just cleaned everything that I know of is there any hidden ones? I took off the two panels on both side there was minimal ash in there. Any help is greatly appreciated