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Sorry to say that just does not work well, many examples of it all around.Todd said:Less regulation, more education
Sorry to say that just does not work well, many examples of it all around.Todd said:Less regulation, more education
The biggest problem I see is that they are punishing the whole region for a city problem.
Todd said:Less regulation, more education
BackwoodsBarrister said:The comment by the Canadian that says that neighbors end up in shootouts is absurd. You think that someone that is willing to shoot their neighbor over some woodsmoke is going to abide by a local ordinance? Please.
Sounds like Madison, WI…85 square mile surrounded by reality.
raybonz said:Hanko said:I think for the most part, there are a lot of good people here that really have good info, and offer constructive criticism. but then there are many regulars who must stay up at night thinking of stupid crap to post on hearth.com. Government inspections on woodpiles. Whoever came up with that out to have his nuts stapled to a stump.
While I don't agree with Dan I respect his right to voice his opinion.. Both you and Cal have been insulting and assaulting Dan because he voiced what he thought.. This is America and we are ALL entitled to free speach.. Like I said I do not agree with Dan but he is an intelligent person and playing devil's advocate and making people think of what could happen rather than what has actually happened (burn ban).. We should stick together here and remember why we enjoy being here.. FYI: It's the regulars that also offer the best guidance and lend their knowledge freely that make this such a great forum!
Ray
Black Jaque Janaviac said:Sounds like Madison, WI…85 square mile surrounded by reality.
I've heard that saying so many times . . . and I laugh every time!
I hope you're living in reality. It's much better out here.
littlesmokey said:Man, do I have a head ache. Spent the last hour, almost trying to read this thread, and generally you all have said, make someone else responsible, it's the other guy's fault.
Fact is the air is bad in many places in America and the world. Remember the Olympics in Beijing? They were going to cancel all long distance or endurance events because of the concern over the health of the athletes. China's answer, they shut down all polluting business, might say all business.
The reason for the bans has been lost in all you have said above. Air quality is a health issue and the air at the time is so bad, it's adversely affecting peoples health. Those people are not able to control their air, but someone should be, right? Besides the burn bans, there are target industries that must shut down before they go to the public, I think someone on another thread mentioned the Seattle powerplant, and the Trash Burners/Incinerators. Those plants have scrubbers on their exhausts, do any of you have scrubbers to clean the air??? What you put out is affecting others around you, you share the responsibility.
In Utah where there is a serious issue, much worse than the Puget Sound, they have "Redburn days" Not only do they shut down many industrial plants and "Home wood/pellet/coal burning, but they stop outdoor play at schools, curtail the athletic activity indoors and out. Stop all unnecessary vehicle traffic by government agencies and force the coal fired power plants to switch to the alternative fuel, natural gas. They even regulate the take off fuel use in air planes and get the Air Force to limit unnecessary flying.
If you think this is CRAP, walk you asses down to the emergency room of a hospital and sit in the emergency waiting room for a few hours and count the number of people who come in with respiratory problems. I have a brother with asthma, he moved from Utah specifically because he didn't want to live on his inhaler.
Now, I'm no spring chicken and I have done my share of irresponsible things like running my business without good dust control and air scrubbers, but now I have an industrial particulate cleaner in shop and home, just for bad air times. If you doubt the impact, walk, not even run, in that bad air and see what your body tells you.
Oh, and you folks that say you can't see smoke, the particles that most affect your health are not visible they are less the .05 microns, but they are the same problem that creates the yellow highways. Detection, simple a light gun set to the right spectrum. Same thing the smog cops in California use to tag cars. Same as many states that have mandated emissions inspections. Night time burning, you have a heat signature in your stack, unique from an oil or natural gas signature.
Seems like many of you want to get around the very real problem, well.... Face your kids, and grand kids and blithely say, "Screw you, I'll do what I want.".
littlesmokey said:... Stop all unnecessary vehicle traffic by government agencies...
... get the Air Force to limit unnecessary flying.
oldspark said:Oh the boys are just havin some fun. :lol:
Highbeam said:It is all fine and reasonable IF they didn't happen all the time. See the trigger for calling a burn ban was slashed to a super low level last year and now we get frequent burn bans. Further, the regulators decided that burning should be banned by county so even though Seattle is smoggy the folks way out in the mountains can't burn. You need to realize that our counties are huge and range hundreds of miles across.
So when some yahoo in the city decides it is a bit too hard to see Mt. Rainier from the city he calls the ban for everyone between the city and the mountain even though those of us who live outside of the city are not polluted at all.
Burning is only allowed if it your only adequate source of heat. That's a big deal. You need to have nothing else capable of heating your home so those of use with baseboard heat must crank up those high dollar heaters during these super cold snaps.
It is BS. Write a letter to PSClean air even an email. They just got a new director so maybe he will listen. The biggest problem I see is that they are punishing the whole region for a city problem. They have not been able to show that rural woodburning contributes to city pollution levels. In fact, they shut off some rural monitor stations since the data being reported always showed very clean air during the bans.
I didn't even know we were under a ban. Stove is stoked.
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