Hearthstone Clydesdale or BK Princess?

[weatherguy]

Ashford 25!

Is that on the Website yet BKVP? I saw the Sirocco. Couldn't find the Ashford. The OP should toss this one into the conservation.

 

[BKVP]

Is that on the Website yet BKVP? I saw the Sirocco. Couldn't find the Ashford. The OP should toss this one into the conservation.

I have been warned not to promote the product...

 

[Glen007]

Is that on the Website yet BKVP? I saw the Sirocco. Couldn't find the Ashford. The OP should toss this one into the conservation.

I saw the Sirocco but the large shroud for it won't cover the opening of my traditional fireplace. My opening is 41"w x 35"h.

 

[gls289]

We've owned a Clydesdale for 5 years. Cons would be rattle in the blower occasionally even with the fix kit installed. Replaced the rheostat 4 times. Thankfully found a less expensive one on Amazon. Bolt retainer broke off inside the stove that holds the rear soap stones in place. Pros would be the size of viewing window and amount of wood I can load.


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[lsucet]

What i don't understand of people talking about they required high heat demand is that at the same time they claim that they burn a load in 10-12 hrs and the house stays at a comfortable temp. I DON'T THINK SO. If you need high demand you will be burning a load every 3-4 hrs, i will give you 5hrs to help you out. We all know that tube stoves 4 hrs laters is just coal what is in there with stove top temperature around 300-350 df if you get lucky. The sides of the stoves at that time is not that hot neither, the top is the one radiating more of that low heat cause of the flow of the heat going thru the flue more than anything else.

if you stretch that burn for 10 hrs, sorry you do not have a high heat demand. the excuse that you need all that heat at ones is bologna. if you house keep all that heat that was radiated by the stove the first 3 -4 hrs for 10-12 hrs, means that it is well insulated and you heat demand is low and what you really need is a candle. 150 BTU p/h. Why to buy an stove of any kind if all what you need is a candle?

Meaning that a stove like BK with its multiple abilities of burns and a wide range of heat demand settings should and will exceeds anybody expectations under those circumstances.

Saying this, i will accept better that you tell that you get it cause of the look, wife wants it. is what dad has, a friend has, or it is what turn me on. Or simple cause there is different choices and it works for me perfectly.

I am not defending, promoting,or saying that BK is the best stove and putting down any other brand. But i feel that a lot of people are not real to themselves.

 

[weatherguy]

What i don't understand of people talking about they required high heat demand is that at the same time they claim that they burn a load in 10-12 hrs and the house stays at a comfortable temp. I DON'T THINK SO. If you need high demand you will be burning a load every 3-4 hrs, i will give you 5hrs to help you out. We all know that tube stoves 4 hrs laters is just coal what is in there with stove top temperature around 300-350 df if you get lucky. The sides of the stoves at that time is not that hot neither, the top is the one radiating more of that low heat cause of the flow of the heat going thru the flue more than anything else.

if you stretch that burn for 10 hrs, sorry you do not have a high heat demand. the excuse that you need all that heat at ones is bologna. if you house keep all that heat that was radiated by the stove the first 3 -4 hrs for 10-12 hrs, means that it is well insulated and you heat demand is low and what you really need is a candle. 150 BTU p/h. Why to buy an stove of any kind if all what you need is a candle?

Meaning that a stove like BK with its multiple abilities of burns and a wide range of heat demand settings should and will exceeds anybody expectations under those circumstances.

Saying this, i will accept better that you tell that you get it cause of the look, wife wants it. is what dad has, a friend has, or it is what turn me on. Or simple cause there is different choices and it works for me perfectly.

I am not defending, promoting,or saying that BK is the best stove and putting down any other brand. But i feel that a lot of people are not real to themselves.

That's why the PH was a better fit for me than the princess insert, as much as liked it I needed more high end.

 

[lsucet]

That's why the PH was a better fit for me than the princess insert, as much as liked it I needed more high end.

I understand and respect that. I know the insert will depend more on convective than radiative heat and you make the decision of what is best for you plus we talking a freestanding vs insert and in somehow is a cat stove also if you want to use it like it. all what i said is that BK is able too of high end but people just like to talk about the low and slow part and that is one of the ability of the stove but not the only one. Actually I was/still looking into the Ideal Steel and i spoke with Mike at Woodstock this morning for my second wood stove install but some details possibly will make me get another BK.

You see, i like other brands also and this is not about me bragging about BK

 

[Highbeam]

What i don't understand of people talking about they required high heat demand is that at the same time they claim that they burn a load in 10-12 hrs and the house stays at a comfortable temp. I DON'T THINK SO. If you need high demand you will be burning a load every 3-4 hrs, i will give you 5hrs to help you out. We all know that tube stoves 4 hrs laters is just coal what is in there with stove top temperature around 300-350 df if you get lucky. The sides of the stoves at that time is not that hot neither, the top is the one radiating more of that low heat cause of the flow of the heat going thru the flue more than anything else.

if you stretch that burn for 10 hrs, sorry you do not have a high heat demand. the excuse that you need all that heat at ones is bologna. if you house keep all that heat that was radiated by the stove the first 3 -4 hrs for 10-12 hrs, means that it is well insulated and you heat demand is low and what you really need is a candle. 150 BTU p/h. Why to buy an stove of any kind if all what you need is a candle?

Meaning that a stove like BK with its multiple abilities of burns and a wide range of heat demand settings should and will exceeds anybody expectations under those circumstances.

Saying this, i will accept better that you tell that you get it cause of the look, wife wants it. is what dad has, a friend has, or it is what turn me on. Or simple cause there is different choices and it works for me perfectly.

I am not defending, promoting,or saying that BK is the best stove and putting down any other brand. But i feel that a lot of people are not real to themselves.

You're right of course. If two stoves have the same size firebox and same efficiency but one can only stretch the burn out half as long, you've got the same amount of heat being delivered to the home per full load of wood. A house needs a set number of btu to stay warm per day. The fast burn stove gets the house hot and then cold, hot and cold. The stretched burn guy just stays comfortable. It's all about the wide range of outputs available and until you've experienced that via radiant floor heat or a long burning stove you just won't understand. It's like the first time you tow heavy with a diesel truck, a light bulb just lights up and tells you how much better it is.

The IS is the only Woodstock that users have claimed is able to approach BK like burn times. It's 3.2 CF. They are still melting internal parts under normal operation and having to remove the part and beat it straight regularly. No fix from WS yet. Also, you can't see the cat and it has a weird secondary air system that seems complicated. The IS is the best Woodstock for a guy that likes how a BK burns.

 

[BuckyBeaver524]

The fast burn stove gets the house hot and then cold, hot and cold.

Hence the advantage of a well designed hybrid 700 lb soapstone stove. No big temperature swings throughout the burn. My normal burns are 12 hours and at peak the temp is usually 75 - 76 and at the end of the burn it is usually 72 - 73. Very comfortable.

 

[lsucet]

Hence the advantage of a well designed hybrid 700 lb soapstone stove. No big temperature swings throughout the burn. My normal burns are 12 hours and at peak the temp is usually 75 - 76 and at the end of the burn it is usually 72 - 73. Very comfortable.

how can we call the advantage of a well designed steel box of 435 lb only that perform the same but with anything between 20 to 29 hrs depending outside temperatures? Is there a name for that advantage? I don't spend my time looking at all into that firebox at the 12 hrs mark into the burn.

 

[BuckyBeaver524]

how can we call the advantage of a well designed steel box of 435 lb only that perform the same but with anything between 20 to 29 hrs depending outside temperatures? Is there a name for that advantage? I don't spend my time looking at all into that firebox at the 12 hrs mark into the burn.

OK, so you prefer to only deal with your stove once a day and that's fine. I enjoy interacting with my stove twice a day. Even if I had a BK, I would be checking it at least twice to make sure all was ok. I would just save the 5 minutes required to reload. The trade off for the 12 hour burn in a lot of cases is clean glass, beautiful fire show, more heat per hour, clean flu system (cap), and no smoke smell when reloading. Now before you have a melt down, I'm not saying your stove has a smoke smell problem. Most folks just need 10 - 12 hour burns to get through the night and the time away from home at work. After that, it's really not that important unless you don't like interacting with your stove. Personal preference really.

 

[Highbeam]

Hence the advantage of a well designed hybrid 700 lb soapstone stove. No big temperature swings throughout the burn. My normal burns are 12 hours and at peak the temp is usually 75 - 76 and at the end of the burn it is usually 72 - 73. Very comfortable.

Any stove can be operated in an effort to try and smooth the output. Even straight tube guys can do this pretty well with practice. Almost always, this involves adding more labor. Standing there and loading one stick at a time does this well but efficiency and emissions suffer. Completing multiple partial burns per day instead of using the same amount of wood in one big batch will smooth out the peaks and valleys too. Thermal mass will also help bridge the valleys.

I prefer a stove that I can load once per day (less labor, less emissions, highest efficiency) and keep that fire burning at a constant output as long as possible that keeps my house at the same temperature all the time. Delightfully boring. This once per day thing is only possible because my house usually looses heat at a rate per day similar to the energy in a firebox full of wood per day. It's not that I live in a warm place, my house's loss rate falls within the stoves output rate range even when it is in the single digits and wind blowing. 95% of the time, this stove is set to make the minimum output of 15000 or so btu but I can kick it up to higher outputs and have to burn up to two loads per day when it's really cold.

So compared to your stove Beaver, we're both the same size stove at 2.8 CF, same efficiency of 80%, same purchase price, but you do two half loads per day and I do a single full load per day for the same warm house result. We both have warm houses and burned the same amount of wood. Our stories are strikingly similar. I can just be gone all day at the beach.

 

[Highbeam]

The trade off for the 12 hour burn in a lot of cases is clean glass, beautiful fire show, more heat per hour, clean flu system (cap), and no smoke smell when reloading.

We're coming closer to agreement on things Bucky. Your glass is double pane and indeed stays cleaner with a cool noncat like fireshow, the BK glass can get partially blocked with gunk but the flameshow is always available if it is desired by cranking up the output. More heat per hour is NOT a benefit, it's actually a curse and is to be avoided when you are already making enough heat to keep your house warm. My flue cap does get icky but it will only be cleaned once per year like everybody else and just like I did with the non-cats. Smoke smell when reloading is a problem when the draft is weak, this is an installation problem and would happen on your stove too if the chimney was inadequate.

 

[lsucet]

OK, so you prefer to only deal with your stove once a day and that's fine. I enjoy interacting with my stove twice a day. Even if I had a BK, I would be checking it at least twice to make sure all was ok. I would just save the 5 minutes required to reload. The trade off for the 12 hour burn in a lot of cases is clean glass, beautiful fire show, more heat per hour, clean flu system (cap), and no smoke smell when reloading. Now before you have a melt down, I'm not saying your stove has a smoke smell problem. Most folks just need 10 - 12 hour burns to get through the night and the time away from home at work. After that, it's really not that important unless you don't like interacting with your stove. Personal preference really.

Well you see the whole point is that more important than the type of stove being used is how is the heat retention of that house. regardless if is a BK, Woodstock, Englander, etc etc etc. the type the house and floor plan can change the whole game. I you can keep a house at those comfortable temp at the end of the burn 12 hrs later, for me you heat demand is not that big like other in different situation maybe will have to run the stove harder than you and me plus reload every 4-5 hrs to keep a good amount of heat going regardless what type of stove He/She is using.. and don't worry, i will not melt down. the material that i am forged is unique, no fire can accomplish that on me.lol

 

[Highbeam]

Most folks just need 10 - 12 hour burns to get through the night and the time away from home at work. After that, it's really not that important unless you don't like interacting with your stove. Personal preference really.

Ah, the real truth of the matter. Yes, 12 hours of constant output would be great for most folks IF that output level sustained house temperatures on the worst case cold day. See, if your stove output level could not maintain house temperatures for 12 hours then on those cold days when you're at work your house temperature would drop. Coming home to a cold house after a shift at work is not necessary, but most folks don't know any better. Very few stoves can actually maintain any reasonably constant output for 12 hours.

The BK can also do 12 hours of constant low output and be partially loaded or topped off twice as often if that's your personal preference.

 

[tarzan]

There are stoves too suit most wants or needs. Personally, I'm 46 years old and have interacted with a coal or wood stove since I was old enough to carry a coal bucket. I still prefer to heat my home with a wood stove but at this point a pretty flame show, clean glass and fiddling with the stove in general have long since lost there appeal.

Constant steady heat and fewer reloads are more appealing to me now so the Blaze King fits my wants and needs well.

 

[BuckyBeaver524]

Any stove can be operated in an effort to try and smooth the output. Even straight tube guys can do this pretty well with practice. Almost always, this involves adding more labor. Standing there and loading one stick at a time does this well but efficiency and emissions suffer. Completing multiple partial burns per day instead of using the same amount of wood in one big batch will smooth out the peaks and valleys too. Thermal mass will also help bridge the valleys.

I prefer a stove that I can load once per day (less labor, less emissions, highest efficiency) and keep that fire burning at a constant output as long as possible that keeps my house at the same temperature all the time. Delightfully boring. This once per day thing is only possible because my house usually looses heat at a rate per day similar to the energy in a firebox full of wood per day. It's not that I live in a warm place, my house's loss rate falls within the stoves output rate range even when it is in the single digits and wind blowing. 95% of the time, this stove is set to make the minimum output of 15000 or so btu but I can kick it up to higher outputs and have to burn up to two loads per day when it's really cold.

So compared to your stove Beaver, we're both the same size stove at 2.8 CF, same efficiency of 80%, same purchase price, but you do two half loads per day and I do a single full load per day for the same warm house result. We both have warm houses and burned the same amount of wood. Our stories are strikingly similar. I can just be gone all day at the beach.

Beammeister, you're at the beach 8 AM and 8PM....interesting. Clean glass and fire view are high priorities for me. Actually, if I hated loading a wood burner as much as you BK guys, I wouldn't burn wood. Natural gas is sooooo much easier.

 

[BuckyBeaver524]

Ah, the real truth of the matter. Yes, 12 hours of constant output would be great for most folks IF that output level sustained house temperatures on the worst case cold day. See, if your stove output level could not maintain house temperatures for 12 hours then on those cold days when you're at work your house temperature would drop. Coming home to a cold house after a shift at work is not necessary, but most folks don't know any better. Very few stoves can actually maintain any reasonably constant output for 12 hours.

The BK can also do 12 hours of constant low output and be partially loaded or topped off twice as often if that's your personal preference.

Personally, I would not select a stove, or size a stove to meet every extreme condition. I have another primary heat source in the house and can certainly afford to run it if required, or if I just damn well feel like it. If I lived in a colder climate and my stove struggled to maintain a constant temp while I was at work, I would just simply set my programmable thermostat to kick on 30 minutes before I got home to bring things up to comfort level. Just one of the many wonderful things about living in modern times.

 

[Highbeam]

Beammeister, you're at the beach 8 AM and 8PM....interesting. Clean glass and fire view are high priorities for me. Actually, if I hated loading a wood burner as much as you BK guys, I wouldn't burn wood. Natural gas is sooooo much easier.

Well, I load at night so I can enjoy the flames as the new load chars. Then sleep all night, wake up and go be at the beach all day long. Sometime after dinner I can reload before going back to bed again.

If I had natural gas available or even any sort of efficient central heat I would still burn wood all winter but I might be willing let the furnace take over when it's warmer outside. As it is, my burn season is about 9 months long and that tends to eat cats.

 

[BuckyBeaver524]

There are stoves too suit most wants or needs. Personally, I'm 46 years old and have interacted with a coal or wood stove since I was old enough to carry a coal bucket. I still prefer to heat my home with a wood stove but at this point a pretty flame show, clean glass and fiddling with the stove in general have long since lost there appeal.

Constant steady heat and fewer reloads are more appealing to me now so the Blaze King fits my wants and needs well.

you are a perfect candidate for natural gas heat - providing you can afford it. Welcome to 2017.

 

[Highbeam]

Personally, I would not select a stove, or size a stove to meet every extreme condition. I have another primary heat source in the house and can certainly afford to run it if required, or if I just damn well feel like it. If I lived in a colder climate and my stove struggled to maintain a constant temp while I was at work, I would just simply set my programmable thermostat to kick on 30 minutes before I got home to bring things up to comfort level. Just one of the many wonderful things about living in modern times.

When I had a noncat stone stove, I would come home to a cold house every day. They just don't burn that long. I suspect that most people that heat with wood come home to cool or cold stoves and also wake up to house temperatures lower than they want. Part time wood burners with the luxury of programmable thermostats have more options. I have some emergency backup electric wall heaters but I choose to heat full time with wood so a stove that does this very well is worth having.

 

[BuckyBeaver524]

Well, I load at night so I can enjoy the flames as the new load chars. Then sleep all night, wake up and go be at the beach all day long. Sometime after dinner I can reload before going back to bed again.

If I had natural gas available or even any sort of efficient central heat I would still burn wood all winter but I might be willing let the furnace take over when it's warmer outside. As it is, my burn season is about 9 months long and that tends to eat cats.

I could not deal with 9 months of wood burning. I look upon this as more of a hobby, certainly not out of necessity or to save money.

 

[BuckyBeaver524]

When I had a noncat stone stove, I would come home to a cold house every day. They just don't burn that long. I suspect that most people that heat with wood come home to cool or cold stoves and also wake up to house temperatures lower than they want. Part time wood burners with the luxury of programmable thermostats have more options. I have some emergency backup electric wall heaters but I choose to heat full time with wood so a stove that does this very well is worth having.

If I had no other heat source and was away from home for extended periods of time during the day, then I would certainly consider a stove with long burn technology. No wait a minute, truth is I would just move into another house that had a good second heat source. That's the way I roll.

 

[BuckyBeaver524]

When I had a noncat stone stove, I would come home to a cold house every day. They just don't burn that long. I suspect that most people that heat with wood come home to cool or cold stoves and also wake up to house temperatures lower than they want. Part time wood burners with the luxury of programmable thermostats have more options. I have some emergency backup electric wall heaters but I choose to heat full time with wood so a stove that does this very well is worth having.

You are preaching to the choir when it comes to cat stoves. My stove is a cat stove.

 

[BuckyBeaver524]

Well, I load at night so I can enjoy the flames as the new load chars. Then sleep all night, wake up and go be at the beach all day long. Sometime after dinner I can reload before going back to bed again.

If I had natural gas available or even any sort of efficient central heat I would still burn wood all winter but I might be willing let the furnace take over when it's warmer outside. As it is, my burn season is about 9 months long and that tends to eat cats.

OK, so you save those 5 minutes that I spend loading my stove each morning while enjoying a second cup of coffee. Actually, I find it very comforting each morning sitting in front of the stove and soaking up that radiant heat pouring out of the large crystal clear window. Pure heaven I say. Enjoy the beach my friend. Actually I really think the beach is the closest place to heaven on earth.