Got the Vaccine

[firefighterjake]

Update,

In the spirit of honesty. I’m 24hrs past my second shot now. Arm hurt like hell last night, worse than the first shot. Pretty sure I had a low grade fever and felt generally like I was hungover. Got up at 5am and felt drained. Slept till 9 and got around to work. I unloaded and stacked the Locust I cut and split yesterday. Eating some lunch and I fell pretty much normal.

I had to force my run yesterday evening. 3 1/2 miles that were hell. Skipped the run this morning and didn’t even try. I’ll get out tonight and see how it goes.

Don’t shy away because of the side effects. They are not too bad.

You're not the first person or report I've heard about the second shot after effects . . . but as you said . . . sure beats being laid out in bed for several days, losing your sense of taste (one of our Fire Inspectors who ended up with Covid 19 still has no sense of taste a month after being sick) or . . . of course . . . death.

 

[Medic21]

And today, I’m back to 100%. Worked out this morning and will go back tonight for some more cardio. All in all, not bad.

 

[kennyp2339]

First shot was Jan 9th, like everyone else no issues other then slight soreness near the injection site, second shot scheduled for Feb 6th. I guess my only real issue here is wanting to know how fast this virus morphs on itself, unless I'm really dumb, my logic is the using the flu as an example, normally the flu is broken into say an A,B, &C strain, then a logical guess is taken to see which strain will be the strongest and a vaccine is made off of that, no one can say for sure if this virus can morph into a different stain to keep itself going, I hope it doesnt but hearing the news of different strains and different intensities isn't comforting either.

 

[Medic21]

First shot was Jan 9th, like everyone else no issues other then slight soreness near the injection site, second shot scheduled for Feb 6th. I guess my only real issue here is wanting to know how fast this virus morphs on itself, unless I'm really dumb, my logic is the using the flu as an example, normally the flu is broken into say an A,B, &C strain, then a logical guess is taken to see which strain will be the strongest and a vaccine is made off of that, no one can say for sure if this virus can morph into a different stain to keep itself going, I hope it doesnt but hearing the news of different strains and different intensities isn't comforting either.

While all Viruses mutate the mutations of Coronaviruses are exponentially slower than say the flu. The mutations so far have only affected how contagious the virus is. Remember, a virus is a parasite and will adapt as our bodies adapt to it.

Thete is no evidence or belief in the medical field that any mutation of the virus will occur to render the vaccine ineffective at this time. Not saying in the distant future that won’t happen but, for now it’s good.

 

[begreen]

We just got our 1st dose of the Pfizer vaccine. 2nd in 3 weeks.

 

[stoveliker]

The wife got the second one yesterday. Despite warnings that it might be worse, she had a head ache, not too bad, and that was all. Happy she's good now (well in a few weeks max efficacy is reached).

 

[kennyp2339]

My 2nd is next week, can’t wait to be honest

 

[jatoxico]

My crew all started getting second doses this past week. Those getting Moderna, including myself seem to be having more significant reactions vs Pfizer. Worse case has been fever, aches pains etc. Still its a small price to pay and personally I was just slightly affected with mild sore throat and general malaise/tired/sore for a couple days.

 

[MMH]

Just found this thread, is everyone in here in public safety or healthcare? Little late but had 1st dose in December 2nd dose earlier this week; had moderna, and remember moderna is roughly 2.5 times the dose as phizer. 1st dose fatigue sore arm aches and fever, lasted about 12-24 hrs, 2nd dose was same but worse fatiguearm pain and aches lasted a bit longer about 24-36 hrs. Laid up on 2nd dose for a day but doable and over now.

 

[jebatty]

Both my wife and I got the Pfizer vaccine. Slightly sore arm for about a day. Second dose coming in mid-Feb.

 

[stoveliker]

My wife got the Moderna vaccine, but sailed through easily. A bit of a sore arm for the first and a bit of a headache for the second. Nothing major.

 

[PaulOinMA]

It's early. Scrolling through news headlines and read "How Johnson & Johnson vaccine works and why it matters" as

"Howard Johnson vaccine works and why it matters."

 

[jatoxico]

and remember moderna is roughly 2.5 times the dose as phizer. 1st dose fatigue sore arm aches and fever, lasted about 12-24 hrs, 2nd dose was same but worse fatiguearm pain and aches lasted a bit longer about 24-36 hrs. Laid up on 2nd dose for a day but doable and over now.

True but I have not heard if that's the explanation. In fact I have not heard officially that Moderna is producing more symptoms, at this point its all anecdotal.

The dose difference does seem like a plausible explanation since they target the same part of spike protein but why Moderna felt they needed to deliver such a higher dose to get the same result I have not learned.

Regarding my earlier comment about how quickly these new vaccines can be developed; apparently Moderna had theirs ready in a weekend after the Chinese scientist broke protocol and provided the viral sequence info. That was back in Jan 2020 IIRC, everything thing else has been testing.

We Had the COVID-19 Vaccine the Whole Time (nymag.com)

 

[MMH]

True but I have not heard if that's the explanation. In fact I have not heard officially that Moderna is producing more symptoms, at this point its all anecdotal.

The dose difference does seem like a plausible explanation since they target the same part of spike protein but why Moderna felt they needed to deliver such a higher dose to get the same result I have not learned.

Regarding my earlier comment about how quickly these new vaccines can be developed; apparently Moderna had theirs ready in a weekend after the Chinese scientist broke protocol and provided the viral sequence info. That was back in Jan 2020 IIRC, everything thing else has been testing.

We Had the COVID-19 Vaccine the Whole Time (nymag.com)

It’s not anecdotal it’s all in their data, take a day and compare them, or take a peek at the reviews completed in the end etc.

 

[jatoxico]

It’s not anecdotal it’s all in their data, take a day and compare them, or take a peek at the reviews completed in the end etc.

That Moderna results in more severe effects after 2nd dose? If that's the case thanks and I'd be interested to see it. Any links?

 

[MMH]

That Moderna results in more severe effects after 2nd dose? If that's the case thanks and I'd be interested to see it. Any links?

Yes however I’d like to be careful with my wording, I wouldn’t call it more severe, just more frequent etc comparatively to Pfizer; moderna’s data showed that they had more rates of “adverse/side effects” which remember this is normal, expected and just a sign of your immune system ramping up; if I recall they had higher percentages in most categories including headache fever and malaise etc. although their effectiveness/efficacy was within the same realm as Pfizer etc. I don’t have links on hand at the moment, I can post some when I get done with today’s chores. Just use a search engine (school database, google scholar etc) and look up moderna covid 19 vaccine results or something similar should pull it right up, bit of a read but all their data’s in there (both Pfizer moderna and AstraZeneca published in December). Personally I steer away from anything in the media, and go straight to the sources, typically NIH NCBI or from JAMA NEJM etc. Also, it was reported (albeit early) that the early data was suggesting that moderna may in fact protect against infection/transmission (not just symptomology) but that was in December a couple weeks after they published, I haven’t confirmed that or looked at it since.

 

[Ludlow]

I will never get the RNA shot.

As Biden Became President, Medical Journal Quietly Retracted Study That Claimed Hydroxychloroquine Is Ineffective

Their retraction-admission validates what President Trump stated in the very beginning of the pandemic

nationalfile.com

 

[SpaceBus]

Which one is that?

 

[Ludlow]

Hydroxychloroquine is effective, and consistently so when provided early, for COVID-19: a systematic review - PubMed

Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) has shown efficacy against coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) in some but not all studies. We hypothesized that a systematic review would show HCQ to be effective against COVID-19, more effective when provided earlier, not associated with worsening disease and safe. We...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Ludlow]

Which one is that?

Pfizer and Moderna

 

[stoveliker]

I will never get the RNA shot.

As Biden Became President, Medical Journal Quietly Retracted Study That Claimed Hydroxychloroquine Is Ineffective

Their retraction-admission validates what President Trump stated in the very beginning of the pandemic

nationalfile.com

One has nothing to do with the other. Hydro... may or may not be effective (a retraction of a study saying it is not effective does not render a conclusion that it is effective as valid...), but the nature of the technology of a vaccine is not related to the quagmire of the (too preliminary?) conclusions drawn about hydro...

 

[MMH]

I will never get the RNA shot.

As Biden Became President, Medical Journal Quietly Retracted Study That Claimed Hydroxychloroquine Is Ineffective

Their retraction-admission validates what President Trump stated in the very beginning of the pandemic

nationalfile.com

With all respect but as stoveliker said these things aren’t related and your “never getting it” because of this is invalid; furthermore we knew hydroxy was dubious at best because the results were not able to be replicated, also unfortunately a lot of “studies” were published without peer review throughout the pandemic.

 

[stoveliker]

Moreover, these retractions were not "quietly", they happened as any other retraction. It happened according to standard procedure when new information invalidates the conclusions in a published paper. Trust me, I know how this works.

Moreover, rather than swallowing without question what info one gets fed, it would be appropriate to look into this a bit.

1. "quietly" as I said above, is bogus. This is normal procedure. This assertion prompted me to dig a bit deeper, as I did not trust this assertion of malice ("quietly" so no one would notice) from this journal and editorial team.

2. "As Biden became president". It appears that the retraction of the paper that halted the HCQ trials happened 8 months ago. NOTHING to do with the president, current or past.
See https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-paper-that-halted-hydroxychloroquine-trials

3. For some editorially independent assessment of what happened (in fact, from a competitor in trying to obtain influential papers, which, if non-scientific motivations would play a role, suggests that they would be (too) critical of the Lancet...), you can read this:

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

This is how misinformation ("as Biden became president" - it was NOT "as...") and conspiracy theories ("quietly", hiding something) come about in this day and age.

Sorry to be critical, but I find it important that untruths do not stand.

 

[jatoxico]

There is also the element of getting vaccinated for the good of all.

 

[Ludlow]

There is also the element of getting vaccinated for the good of all.

That is a false narrative. Fauci says even if you get the vaccine you still have to wear a mask and distance and that will not change. I talked to a friend on Friday. His family was hit with covid and 11 people got it. Only one (middle aged woman) got moderately sick. Others, including an 80 year old man, ranged from no symptoms to a runny nose for a few days. All of them, including the 80 year old, recovered. I know of three households where 1 person got it and nobody else in the house contracted it. I dont inject anything into my body for the good of humanity. I make my own choices. Without a clear defined benefit I will pass. The J&J vaccine interests me but requires further scrutiny. Nobody in any of their trials died. Seems that you may still catch the covid with their vaccine but it lessens the severity enormously. I believe their vaccine is more of a traditional type of vaccine but I need to study more before committing to that.



Pennacchio: Could Lives Have Been Saved if Doctors Had the Chance to Fight COVID with Hydroxychloroquine?
HCQ was Showing Promise Early in the Pandemic, New Hackensack Meridian Health Study Shows
A prescription drug with a six-decade history as a safe and effective anti-parasitic treatment is once again showing promise as an early treatment for COVID-19.
A just-released study by a New Jersey-based healthcare system indicates that patients with mild symptoms of the virus who received hydroxychloroquine were “significantly less likely to end up in the hospital,” according to a published report in the Daily Record, dated Jan. 27, 2021.
“This doesn’t come as a surprise to me, but it is troubling that we had to wait almost a year to get to this point,” said Senator Joe Pennacchio, who as early as March was (broken link removed to https://www.senatenj.com/index.php/pennacchio/top-doctors-join-pennacchios-call-to-use-hydroxychloroquine-to-combat-spread-of-covid-19/47005) of doctors and medical experts urging the federal and State governments to authorize doctors to use the drug, also known as HCQ, to help control the spread of COVID after the encouraging early findings.
“In the desperation of the early days of the pandemic, with COVID spreading like wildfire in areas of North Jersey and New York, hydroxychloroquine was the only treatment showing promise,” Pennacchio said. “HCQ got a bad rap because of politics, and its off-label use as a COVID treatment was blocked.”
The new study from Hackensack Meridian Health stated that from March to mid-May, the system’s physicians used the hydroxychloroquine to treat outpatients who did not have severe symptoms, and of more than 100 people who received the drug, barely 20 percent ended up in the hospital, compared with close to 33 percent of more than 1,000 people who were not administered HCQ.
In today’s article, the Daily Record reported that “the drug also appeared to be safe, with no reports of cardiac arrhythmia,” or other side effects.
“Politicians, insisting they knew more than the doctors who were prescribing the treatment effectively blocked its use and prevented further studies,” said Pennacchio. “They robbed the desperate public of a potential medical option when they were so desperate for any reason for hope.
“So much time was wasted, so many lives lost. So heartbreaking,” the Senator said.
In April, while the effectiveness of HCQ was playing out at Meridian’s hospitals, Pennacchio issued (broken link removed to https://www.senatenj.com/index.php/pennacchio/350-additional-doctors-join-senator-pennacchios-call-for-new-jersey-to-allow-doctors-to-treat-patients-with-hydroxychloroquine/47486) to Administration, with a long list of 350 doctors from across the nation pleading for doctors to be allowed to use the drug to treat patients.
“How many thousands of lives, including those tragically lost in our veterans and nursing homes, may have been saved by the responsible use of hydroxychloroquine?” asked Pennacchio.
“Had politicians put aside their partisanship and truly did the business of the people, the story may have been quite different in New Jersey and across the U.S. What a shame,” Pennacchio concluded.