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these stove were designed to burn clean (pass the EPA standards), nothing less nothing more

I could be wrong, but it seems to me that cat stoves have the best technology for getting good secondary combustion and clean burns while at the same time minimizing potential overfire and heat loss due to excessive air flow through the stove -- this due to the ability to burn smoke at lower temperatures. So they are less likely to invite tinkering, no?

Downdraft/crossdraft stoves like mine seem to have the worst technology, requiring the highest firebox temps and greatest potential for heat loss up the flue in pursuit of a clean burn via rear burn chamber. (Seems like a lot of overfired downdrafts have popped up on this forum, too.) I have done some temporary mods with secondary air, but really ought to have a pipe damper.

The vast majority of EPA stoves, with tube technology, fall between the other two types. But basically, we all have a variation on a metal/stone box that lets us each heat our homes pretty clean for pretty cheap, with something pretty to look at, too. No complaints here... (today).
 
It always amazes me me that we think we can out think years of engineering with duct tape.

When I told the fellow that designed and tested my stove how tall my chimney is he, without saying a word, reached over on his bench and handed me a roll of aluminum tape. >>
 
The majority of stoves out in homes do not need tweaking. These are fine tuned machines. Tweaking without a real understanding of what one is doing can lead to poorer, dirtier burning. Reminds me of a relative that just couldn't leave well enough alone. He took a perfectly beautiful Fiat 124 sports car and "tweaked" it. This was a new car and his wife's favorite. After the tweaking his wife would not drive it again.
Coming from some one who has tweaked his stove:confused:
 
Tweaking without a real understanding of what one is doing can lead to poorer, dirtier burning.
So can burning wet wood, guess I don't understand your point, many people report making changes to their stove including you.
Maybe people should take a test before allowed to buy a wood stove.
 
I agree with you. They don't want you to burn low and slow (smolder) on these EPA approved secondary tube stoves.
I guess people who buy wood burners are too stupid to burn clean with out making the stove idiot proof.
 
So can burning wet wood, guess I don't understand your point, many people report making changes to their stove including you.
Maybe people should take a test before allowed to buy a wood stove.
That is not a very helpful comment. Most folks that hang out here are stove enthusiasts. That is not the same as an average wood burner which is more typical of a person with a problem passing through here looking for a solution. There may be entirely different approaches depending on the stove, the flue system, wood burned and person running it. I don't encourage stove modification except to those that are experienced and have little or no alternative. You've been here long enough that you should recognize the difference.
 
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I guess people who buy wood burners are too stupid to burn clean with out making the stove idiot proof.


that's kinda harsh don't ya think bro?

"stupid" isn't the term i'd use, uneducated in the proper methods of wood burning would be more appropriate. and that why they come here , for help , not to get beat on for not understanding.

trust me, I literally am on "the front line" daily with customers who call in due to not getting expected performance out of a product, the proper thing to do is discuss what's happening, how the stove is hooked up, wood, and methods of operating. find what is not correct and correct it, move on to the next call, repeat.
occasionally I get a customer that literally scares me when they talk about what they are doing, when that happens I don't insult them, I educate them.
 
Yeah me and member Precaud probably got this moding the stove stuff started in the first place. Don't know what he is up to today but I know that I made reversible changes to fit my particular installation. And have backed out most of them one at a time just like I did them testing the outcomes. All based on the fact that I did a non-conventional installation in the first place and bandaids like a key damper couldn't be used. Which I wouldn't use anyway.

Mostly sorry that I ever mentioned them here because I get dozens of convos asking how to do it when the stove hasn't even been installed yet. And I always say install the stove and burn it like it should be burned and don't go jacking with it until a problem that isn't the wood or the operator is identified.

Of course some of the information on burning them here is as bad as modding a stove is in my estimation. What you read on the Net you always have to verify. Don't read one post and go with it. Ask questions.
 
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Once again I am misunderstood, there are many who have modified there stoves, I read the posts all the time, my statement is an observation nothing more nothing less.
You said modifying your stove can cause problems and it can but so can burning wet wood and we see that all the time on here.
 
that's kinda harsh don't ya think bro?

"stupid" isn't the term i'd use, uneducated in the proper methods of wood burning would be more appropriate. and that why they come here , for help , not to get beat on for not understanding.

trust me, I literally am on "the front line" daily with customers who call in due to not getting expected performance out of a product, the proper thing to do is discuss what's happening, how the stove is hooked up, wood, and methods of operating. find what is not correct and correct it, move on to the next call, repeat.
occasionally I get a customer that literally scares me when they talk about what they are doing, when that happens I don't insult them, I educate them.
I think you took my answer out of context, hot coals made the statement that they do not want us shutting the air down to far, we are not smart enough to do that on our own? Don't know how long you have been here but I am more then willing to help any body with a problem.
 
Of course some of the information on burning them here is as bad as modding a stove is in my estimation
And the winner is Brother Bart, nail on the head for sure.
 
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Sounds like this thread has devolved far enough. The OP's question was asked and answered. Sealing this one up with Gorilla tape.
 
And the winner is Brother Bart, nail on the head for sure.

The only luxury of being a Mod. Responding to closed threads.

A small percentage oldspark. A small percentage. Just because you can't make it work it ain't wrong. Just like if I can't make it work it ain't wrong. Have some popcorn.
 
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