Going to make the jump to a Stove, need some final q's answered

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Another set and forget stove is the Enerzone Eurostar. Very conservatively rated at 50,000 BTU. There is a member on here that has one and has posted the install etc. The stove is 400lbs and the easiest stove I have ever seen to clean. The blowers come out with spring clips so you can clean it. It lists for $4199 but I think it was $3799 at my local dealer. Like the Harmans it too is a bottom feeder. If I had the dough it would be sitting in my house.
 
Best of luck...let us know after it's installed. Don't forget the pictures...
 
Unless I missed it, no one in this string mentioned the fact that the MAIN, over-riding factor when choosing a stove is not the brand but the quality of service/perceived knowledge/parts inventory of the dealer. What's your gut feel as to his competence? Not his BS, but his knowledge of the stove? Can you talk to anyone else who has bought from him? I guess it's too late now though since it's on its way. :)
 
Unless I missed it, no one in this string mentioned the fact that the MAIN, over-riding factor when choosing a stove is not the brand but the quality of service/perceived knowledge/parts inventory of the dealer. What's your gut feel as to his competence? Not his BS, but his knowledge of the stove? Can you talk to anyone else who has bought from him? I guess it's too late now though since it's on its way. :)

yeah, i went to 3 places near me. i didnt get a great feeling from any of the 3 places, to be honest. the guy i bought from didnt own the store, but he was stove user, so gave me some good considerations. The 2nd store i went to,the guy's mom had a stove, so he was also able to give me some good pointers. the third store the guy really didnt give me much more info that the other 2. all 3 stores use contractors as their installers (i.e. the installers aren't direct employees of the store). all stores said that their installers had been with them for over 7 years minimum.

to me it was a shot in the dark, i'm hoping the store and Harman standby the product and install.
 
Sounds like you did some homework, anyway. It isn't really Harman or most stove makers who stand behind their products. It's the dealer who you MUST deal with. Except for, I think, Englander, you can't talk to any of the manufacturers to troubleshoot problems AND you WILL have problems! Everyone does at one time or another. There have been many horror stories of owners who have problems only to find out that their dealer has gone out of business and another dealer won't help them because the stove manufacturer hardly pays them anything for a service call. If you buy a pellet stove, you better either have a working knowledge of electrical and mechanical systems and some tools or it's going to cost plenty to keep it going.
 
Thanks everyone. Settled on the 52i. Hopefully installed in the next 3 weeks or so.

Now I have to go read the best kind of pellet thread.
You'll be thrilled with it - trust me! I only burned Barefoot my first season and now I have 3 new tons of LaCrete. From what I've been reading... LaCrete is a notch above Barefoot and maybe a notch below Douglas Fir. Although the 52i can 'burn' any type of pellet well, I still always suggest burning the better pellets! When you go over to the pellet threads, you'll find no loss for suggestions as to what to burn. Some only burn the best - some only burn what's 'flammable' lol but after the shortages of last season, buy your entire winter supply as soon as possible (always less expensive in the early Spring) if you have the room!

Welcome to the 52i club!
 
did you ever buy this gate? if so, does this gate make routine cleaning of the stove a P.I.A?

also, should i get an Ash Vac, or should i just get some good filters for my shop vac?
A shop vac is more than fine... just DON'T FORGET the proper filter (you'll only forget that once... not that I would have made that mistake... but from what I've heard lol)
 
I must add that Harman customer service is pretty darn good. I had a question as to if/when they were going to go with a digital control (they're working on it, no hard date) and if you can retrofit an existing stove (they're hopeful) once released. The customer service rep went down to speak with an engineer to answer my question. Pretty good service if you ask me!
 
Get some pics. I have the cheeta 2 for a ash vac. so far wrks really well:)
Same here but it's noisy as all get out! But NO dust.
 
What are you guys Harmon sales reps? Just kidding, you make a lot of sense. I'll really have to consider the 52i thanks again
I remember my dealer telling me that the price is important but actually this appliance will save you money every year. What other appliance do you have that will do that? putting it in perspective if you own it for 10 years that extra few dollars a year is hardly worth worrying about. Another thought is re sale value. A name brand will hold a value versus a cheap box store model will be hard to sell at any price.
 
I remember my dealer telling me that the price is important but actually this appliance will save you money every year. What other appliance do you have that will do that? putting it in perspective if you own it for 10 years that extra few dollars a year is hardly worth worrying about. Another thought is re sale value. A name brand will hold a value versus a cheap box store model will be hard to sell at any price.
And if you save a few bucks from buying an inexpensive (a.k.a. CHEAP) stove at HD, etc., who are you going to call for service??? The people at home depot barely know where the light bulbs are!!
 
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did you ever buy this gate? if so, does this gate make routine cleaning of the stove a P.I.A?

also, should i get an Ash Vac, or should i just get some good filters for my shop vac?
Go to Benny's... They have the PowerSmith ash vac (green canister, black top) and I've bought 3 of them, 2 of them for relatives and everyone's been happy with their performance. Three Harman insert owners. Best part is the vac costs $69.99 at Benny's! More at other places. Good luck to you.
 
ok so now i'm in the market for pellets, a kid gate and an ash vac. i think Home depot has the powersmith for $90. no benny's that close to me.

for pellets, i can get (before delivery charges)
- corinth softwoods - $295/ton
- barefoot prem plus - $309/ton
- Lacrete - $359 - for a 1.2 tons
-okanogon gold $295/ton (limited)
- granules LG $299/ton
- cleanfire pacific $314/ton


recommendations on the pellets? i'm a complete noob burner. and lazy. i would prefer a low ash, high heat, very cheap... you get the idea. it seems many here like the lacretes, or okies? or if you got coin, people get the $400/ton douglas fir. i've also read that people wtih harmans stick with barefoots, but others say stick with a softwood.


off topic - can i roast marshmallows on the stove? my daughters will love that. :)

thanks again everyone.
 
ok so now i'm in the market for pellets, a kid gate and an ash vac. i think Home depot has the powersmith for $90. no benny's that close to me.

for pellets, i can get (before delivery charges)
- corinth softwoods - $295/ton
- barefoot prem plus - $309/ton
- Lacrete - $359 - for a 1.2 tons
-okanogon gold $295/ton (limited)
- granules LG $299/ton
- cleanfire pacific $314/ton


recommendations on the pellets? i'm a complete noob burner. and lazy. i would prefer a low ash, high heat, very cheap... you get the idea. it seems many here like the lacretes, or okies? or if you got coin, people get the $400/ton douglas fir. i've also read that people wtih harmans stick with barefoots, but others say stick with a softwood.


thanks again everyone.
Holy crap, are those expensive!!!! I guess the suppliers learned from last winter that people will pay ANYTHING to get pellets. It seems that once the price goes up, it never comes all the way back down on anything. $400 a ton??? NFW!

As far as high heat goes, all pellets are rated in the 8000 to 8600 btu/lb range IIRC. It's just that some pellets are more dense than others and when you get a shot of pellets in the burn pot, if they are more dense, you get more heat; HOWEVER, you get fewer 'shots' in a bag. I see that with different brands. Some bags will fill 4 of my buckets I use to haul pellets to the stoves while my present pellets fill only 3 buckets. It's all about density and pellet size. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!;lol

No, you can't roast marshmallows. :)
 
At those prices, if you had to pick today, I think performance and cost would say get the Lacretes, which at 4 tons would give you a sub $300 per ton price with the best cost per BTU. Good luck. EDIT: the per ton price is based on those Lacretes being 1.2 METRIC tons. oops
 
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Holy crap, are those expensive!!!! I guess the suppliers learned from last winter that people will pay ANYTHING to get pellets. It seems that once the price goes up, it never comes all the way back down on anything. $400 a ton??? NFW!

As far as high heat goes, all pellets are rated in the 8000 to 8600 btu/lb range IIRC. It's just that some pellets are more dense than others and when you get a shot of pellets in the burn pot, if they are more dense, you get more heat; HOWEVER, you get fewer 'shots' in a bag. I see that with different brands. Some bags will fill 4 of my buckets I use to haul pellets to the stoves while my present pellets fill only 3 buckets. It's all about density and pellet size. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!;lol

No, you can't roast marshmallows. :)
At one time my dealer was getting pellets from a company in Missouri that he said were Oak. They were very short 1/2 to 1/4 inch long burned very hot compared to other pellets that were 1 inch long. The bag didn't seem to last as long because the short pellets fit in the auger better. If you were using a thermostat they lasted noticeably longer then the longer ones because the thermostat wasn't calling for more heat. He was only able to get pellets from that company one season as it was destroyed by fire but that was a high quality pellet well worth the extra they cost. At the time corn was very cheap so it didn't make sense for me to burn pellets but I was always impressed by that pellet. Around here Indeck seems to be the only choice for the last 3 years. They seem consistent in size but have a lot of ash.

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Same here but it's noisy as all get out! But NO dust.
X3 on the cheetah spendy but much safer then a plastic job. I have a retired firemen who bought a Harman PC45 the same time I did and said it was a waste of money to buy a spendy Vac for cleaning the stove. He called me up one winter morning and wanted the name of the place I got mine. I asked why and he said I was smart enough to put my plastic vac outside on the lawn just in case but this morning I found the wire handle and parts of the motor were all that was left. That was several years ago and after he bought the new one his wife said the house wasn't as dusty either. Black dust or soot.
 
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At one time my dealer was getting pellets from a company in Missouri that he said were Oak. They were very short 1/2 to 1/4 inch long burned very hot compared to other pellets that were 1 inch long. The bag didn't seem to last as long because the short pellets fit in the auger better. If you were using a thermostat they lasted noticeably longer then the longer ones because the thermostat wasn't calling for more heat. He was only able to get pellets from that company one season as it was destroyed by fire but that was a high quality pellet well worth the extra they cost. At the time corn was very cheap so it didn't make sense for me to burn pellets but I was always impressed by that pellet. Around here Indeck seems to be the only choice for the last 3 years. They seem consistent in size but have a lot of ash.

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Yep, the short pellets allowed more to be packed into the auger and more dropped(or were pushed) per revolution, hence more heat even if they weren't as dense. When I had some Carolina Wood Pellets, they were 1-3" long and it was hard to get any heat at all since only a couple pellets dropped at a time. I think we should really talk about pellets being short or long and dense or light, and not hot versus cold, which is a misnomer.
 
At one time my dealer was getting pellets from a company in Missouri that he said were Oak. They were very short 1/2 to 1/4 inch long burned very hot compared to other pellets that were 1 inch long. The bag didn't seem to last as long because the short pellets fit in the auger better. If you were using a thermostat they lasted noticeably longer then the longer ones because the thermostat wasn't calling for more heat. He was only able to get pellets from that company one season as it was destroyed by fire but that was a high quality pellet well worth the extra they cost. At the time corn was very cheap so it didn't make sense for me to burn pellets but I was always impressed by that pellet. Around here Indeck seems to be the only choice for the last 3 years. They seem consistent in size but have a lot of ash.

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Yep, the short pellets allowed more to be packed into the auger and more dropped(or were pushed) per revolution, hence more heat even if they weren't as dense. When I had some Carolina Wood Pellets, they were 1-3" long and it was hard to get any heat at all since only a couple pellets dropped at a time. I think we should really talk about pellets being short or long and dense or light, and not hot versus cold, which is a misnomer.
 
At those prices, if you had to pick today, I think performance and cost would say get the Lacretes, which at 4 tons would give you a sub $300 per ton price with the best cost per BTU. Good luck. EDIT: the per ton price is based on those Lacretes being 1.2 METRIC tons. oops

Yes, lacretes 1.2 tons(60bags) at $359 work out to about $5.98/bag, so 50 bags = $299/ton.

my stove install is not for another 2 weeks, i dont want to order the pellets and have them here, just in the crazy situation that my install doesnt go as planned and for some reason, i shelf the whole pellet stove idea. i'll look to put in an order once i get my install date.
 
Get a stove vac. Absolutely do that!

I have been running my m55 night and day for the last 2 winters, and have never worried about it. The cirulation fan died once, and the high temp sensor did its job.

I like certain aspects of this stove: no need to clean the burn pot daily, burns anything, and throws heat like a champ. The negative is - many moving parts to break. I have had several issues, nothing crazy, and all under warranty, but I would have bought a 52i if they were available. My neighbor got one last winter, and he loves it. Good choice!
 
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Yes, lacretes 1.2 tons(60bags) at $359 work out to about $5.98/bag, so 50 bags = $299/ton.

my stove install is not for another 2 weeks, i dont want to order the pellets and have them here, just in the crazy situation that my install doesnt go as planned and for some reason, i shelf the whole pellet stove idea. i'll look to put in an order once i get my install date.

put the order in with the pellet dealer. If things go south, they'll refund you no problem. I had a similar result with a refund myself. That way if they're selling through expected tonnage, your tons are reserved. Lesson learned last winter and from what I'm seeing, higher quality pellets are beginning to be rare.
 
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