Epic Installation - I work behind this guy on a regular basis

[begreen]

Proof of nearly burning down the house, then installing a bogus fix that now only soots the crap out of it? Carl's performance appears to be measured by timebomb ticks.

 

[Panhandler]

I always wondered what Carl was doing these days after that greenskeeper gig.

 

[vvvv]

Proof of nearly burning down the house, then installing a bogus fix that now only soots the crap out of it? Carl's performance appears to be measured by timebomb ticks.

house burnt be4 gcan. 6 yrs since with no prob,seemingly. stochiometry of woodburn neednt involve keeping a clean glass for efficiency.

 

[smwilliamson]

If Carl wants to install a trash can on his own exhaust, fine. Somewhere you cross a line when you do it for others, whereas you are somewhat responsible for the result. In this situation the result wasn't a fire (not yet) but exhaust leaking back into the house. There was a mess and the homeowners sought outside professional help to resolve it. In clear conscience when I leave a job the work I do needs meet or exceed some kind of universal code of acceptance, if either by a professional or licensing standard, etc...

Just because there hasn't been a fire in 6 years should not exclude that it was ever acceptable to have one in the first place.

 

[tnt8281]

If Carl wants to install a trash can on his own exhaust, fine. Somewhere you cross a line when you do it for others, whereas you are somewhat responsible for the result. In this situation the result wasn't a fire (not yet) but exhaust leaking back into the house. There was a mess and the homeowners sought outside professional help to resolve it. In clear conscience when I leave a job the work I do needs meet or exceed some kind of universal code of acceptance, if either by a professional or licensing standard, etc...

Just because there hasn't been a fire in 6 years should not exclude that it was ever acceptable to have one in the first place.

My problem isn't what he did. Its what he did as an installer. Clearly not code and potentially a fire and CO2 hazard. When you do seek a professional that is what you should get a professional.

 

[Wi Thundercat]

If Carl wants to install a trash can on his own exhaust, fine. Somewhere you cross a line when you do it for others, whereas you are somewhat responsible for the result. In this situation the result wasn't a fire (not yet) but exhaust leaking back into the house. There was a mess and the homeowners sought outside professional help to resolve it. In clear conscience when I leave a job the work I do needs meet or exceed some kind of universal code of acceptance, if either by a professional or licensing standard, etc...

Just because there hasn't been a fire in 6 years should not exclude that it was ever acceptable to have one in the first place.

My problem isn't what he did. Its what he did as an installer. Clearly not code and potentially a fire and CO2 hazard. When you do seek a professional that is what you should get a professional.

X2

 

[WoodPorn]

Proof of nearly burning down the house, then installing a bogus fix that now only soots the crap out of it? Carl's performance appears to be measured by timebomb ticks.

house burnt be4 gcan. 6 yrs since with no prob,seemingly. stochiometry of woodburn neednt involve keeping a clean glass for efficiency.

Pook... did you eat paint chips as a kid?? Whether or not it worked for 6 years, it is a HACK JOB ....and just outright carelessnes, what do you think would happen if the couple brought in an inspector or fire marshall....


SM, I had my stove prof.installed last year. When I called around for quotes (I forget exaxctly what shop it was) His name actually came up more than once. In light of this.... I'm glad he was not the one that did the install.

 

[vvvv]

Proof of nearly burning down the house, then installing a bogus fix that now only soots the crap out of it? Carl's performance appears to be measured by timebomb ticks.

house burnt be4 gcan. 6 yrs since with no prob,seemingly. stochiometry of woodburn neednt involve keeping a clean glass for efficiency.

Pook... did you eat paint chips as a kid?? Whether or not it worked for 6 years, it is a HACK JOB ....and just outright carelessnes, what do you think would happen if the couple brought in an inspector or fire marshall....


SM, I had my stove prof.installed last year. When I called around for quotes (I forget exaxctly what shop it was) His name actually came up more than once. In light of this.... I'm glad he was not the one that did the install.

read the OP which mentions glass wont stay clean & can was added to avert the fire issue. pstove smoke in house stinx i know as well as embers can fly out a horizontal pipe & peeps get concerned over possible fire as a result. carl found a solution [1/2 assed maybe} which noone else of whatever status thought of. Now carl gets condemned because of acceptable standards regardless of shortcomings such as exhausting embers ALLOWED BY CODE & DISMISSED BY "AINT GONNA RESULT IN A FIRE". soot on siding has been mentioned previously & a similar UL tested system is being sought. i know its not code but codes change & 6yrs is proof pudding 2me, moreso than 1day UL testing? A pro cant do this due to liability but can nitpick criticism rather than find the positive aspect, why?

 

[WoodPorn]

And what again are the positive aspects??????

- Crappy original installation
- House fire
- not to code (safety)
- crappy solution to problem with crappy original install
- soot everywhere
- co2 in house
- smoke in house

need I continue?

 

[smwilliamson]

Pook, a true professional needs to be accountable. I like to approach my work in a manner akin to visiting a National Park...leave no tracks. You got the stove, you got the pipe and you have the worker. I get upset is there is a spec of dust on the floor when I'm done. Seam tape on pipes...not if I can help it. Smudges of silicone anywhere visible...I think not. Did I strip out that screw...no problem, let me get out the tap and die. Is the door gasket fraying...let's replace it. It all about providing my clients with a TROUBLE FREE HEATING SEASON. I have to approach my work in this way not only for safety...but to stay in business. It's what people universally expect when the "hire out". Anything short of that, someone has a chance to be less than satisfied...and guess what? When a homeowner is not satisfied, ..you can be damn sure you will not be there to defend yourself each and every time they are reminded of the greif. People have a tendency to communicate their feelings. Do you want them saying good or saying bad about you? For each action there is another reaction...this is why standards exist. We call it a civilized society. Until such times that we resort back to the second amendment for our public safety, I'll just install the stove properly.

I nitpick because I am a businessman. My family's livelihood depends upon my work. Any carelessness on the part of the professional extends to consumer. How big of a bubble do you think you live in pook?

Besides, I looked in the order book and I cannot find the trash can spark arrester. What is the code? 3PVP-TRSCN???

 

[vvvv]

See! carl invented something? Code books dont define science, its the other way around- something the local hubris seems to not understand but rather uses to stroke the ego. i understaND PROF LIABILITY & INDUSTRY standards & a robot would be more reliable than a human when it comes to following directions. Fortunately, the universe no longer revolves around the earth, or does it?
gotta ask= who's footing the bill for the up to code alteration? homeowner or gov.

 

[jtakeman]

Pook, Are you really Carl? or is he just your new idle?

Carl did not invent the spark bucket. A Meir copy cat. The spark bucket has been around for a long time. And the bucket needs a vent to work properly. So he didn't even get that right. But I will give him the resourcefulness award, That would be a fire extinguisher.

 

[vvvv]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spark_arrestor

 

[firewarrior820]

See! carl invented something? Code books dont define science, its the other way around- something the local hubris seems to not understand but rather uses to stroke the ego. i understaND PROF LIABILITY & INDUSTRY standards & a robot would be more reliable than a human when it comes to following directions. Fortunately, the universe no longer revolves around the earth, or does it?
gotta ask= who's footing the bill for the up to code alteration? homeowner or gov.

I bet you think the sky is green Δ

 

[vvvv]

See! carl invented something? Code books dont define science, its the other way around- something the local hubris seems to not understand but rather uses to stroke the ego. i understaND PROF LIABILITY & INDUSTRY standards & a robot would be more reliable than a human when it comes to following directions. Fortunately, the universe no longer revolves around the earth, or does it?
gotta ask= who's footing the bill for the up to code alteration? homeowner or gov.

I bet you think the sky is green Δ

it is! otherwize solar heaters wouldnt work

 

[WoodPorn]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spark_arrestor

A spark arrestor is a device intended to prevent combustible materials, usually sparks or other tiny flaming debris, from escaping into areas where they might start fires.

They are most commonly used in conjunction with motor vehicles (inserted into the muffler), as well as improving safety within fireplaces, and various electrical equipment. Often, a spark arrestor mimics a net fashioned from tightly interwoven wire gauze built to resist bits of ash, sparks or other such dangers.

Your attempt to bring light to our feeble minds has failed, the above highlighted text implies there is a way out for the "spark carrying captured gasses" a lidded, sealed shut, 20 gallon garbage can with a pipe stuck into it does not make a spark arrestor, just a place to restrict exhaust and cause inefficent combustion (stochiometrically speaking of course)

 

[vvvv]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spark_arrestor

A spark arrestor is a device intended to prevent combustible materials, usually sparks or other tiny flaming debris, from escaping into areas where they might start fires.

They are most commonly used in conjunction with motor vehicles (inserted into the muffler), as well as improving safety within fireplaces, and various electrical equipment. Often, a spark arrestor mimics a net fashioned from tightly interwoven wire gauze built to resist bits of ash, sparks or other such dangers.

Your attempt to bring light to our feeble minds has failed, the above highlighted text implies there is a way out for the "spark carrying captured gasses" a lidded, sealed shut, 20 gallon garbage can with a pipe stuck into it does not make a spark arrestor, just a place to restrict exhaust and cause inefficent combustion (stochiometrically speaking of course)

considering how much excess combustion air pstoves have [xcept Europa} i'd not assume inefficient combustion without analyzing the exhaust & obviously the can isnt totally sealed

 

[jtakeman]

(stochiometrically speaking of course)

woodporn, I thinx pook has gotten to you. Please step back and breath. Got to the nearest pellet sales place and sniff a couple of different brands to reorient yourself.

 

[jtakeman]

i'd not assume inefficient combustion without analyzing the exhaust & obviously the can isnt totally sealed

Black stuff stuck on glass is over rich condition. No?............

 

[firewarrior820]

See! carl invented something? Code books dont define science, its the other way around- something the local hubris seems to not understand but rather uses to stroke the ego. i understaND PROF LIABILITY & INDUSTRY standards & a robot would be more reliable than a human when it comes to following directions. Fortunately, the universe no longer revolves around the earth, or does it?
gotta ask= who's footing the bill for the up to code alteration? homeowner or gov.

I bet you think the sky is green Δ

it is! otherwize solar heaters wouldnt work

Your 2 easy 2 figure out I knew what your answer would be that why I put it out there ,,,simple

 

[vvvv]

i'd not assume inefficient combustion without analyzing the exhaust & obviously the can isnt totally sealed

Black stuff stuck on glass is over rich condition. No?............

why does my 25 & others? have a built in airwash system for the glass.

 

[jtakeman]

i'd not assume inefficient combustion without analyzing the exhaust & obviously the can isnt totally sealed

Black stuff stuck on glass is over rich condition. No?............

why does my 25 & others? have a built in airwash system for the glass.

Maybe SMW will collect some and hit it with a torch. "If it burns its fuel" your line not mine!

 

[vvvv]

Pook, Are you really Carl? or is he just your new idle?

Carl did not invent the spark bucket. A Meir copy cat. The spark bucket has been around for a long time. And the bucket needs a vent to work properly. So he didn't even get that right. But I will give him the resourcefulness award, That would be a fire extinguisher.

gcan may need holes,dunno, but do know the direction & speed of the wind can have a similar pressurizing effect unless its a 10-2-3 setup

 

[Xena]

Carl is a dumb azz and the places that outsource him to
do stove work are hurting their reputation big time.

 

[vvvv]

Carl is a dumb azz and the places that outsource him to
do stove work are hurting their reputation big time.

& u dont need a blockplate @ the bottom of ur chimni! :roll: