Enviro Windsor, does anyone have a PDF to the original brochure?

[VCBurner]

I wanted to ask if anyone has the original brochure in pdf form, if so could you PM me or post a link on this thread?



This thread will be my experience from purchase to install and anything else I learned during the operation of the Enviro Windsor! For the latest posts please go to the last page. I hope this thread helps someone who is looking for info on this particular stove. So here it goes:

I just sold four wood stoves and moved into a house with no chimneys! So I thought I'd try a pellet stove. Found an Enviro Windsor just about 9 years old. The guy will take 850 for it. It is grey enamel and looks to be in pretty good shape. The auger motor was replaced last April and it runs well according to the owner. Any advice on this one from you experienced pellet guys?

And since then a lot has happened:
9/10/11: $260 deposit was made. I met the owner, who turned out to be a fine gentleman, up in New Hampshire.
10/16/11: $640 balance paid totaling $900. I picked up the stove from member Enviro (thank you kind sir) in New Hampshire, it was a beautiful day.
10/29/11: the stove was installed just as the unusual October Nor'easter started to dump 22" on us, pfew!

I have enjoyed this winter with the Windsor and learned a great deal about pellet stoves. Again, this is largely due to the wonderful Hearth.com community, which has proven to have a wealth of members who are always willing to provide information and lend a hand. As of 2/22/2012 there have been no major problems with the stove and it has heated the house nicely. The heat has not been on since the stove was installed back in October. The following pics are the original one posted in the craigslist add, one taken after the instal near Halloween and another taken on a sunny day in the winter.

Thanks for reading this thread, I hope you enjoy it.

 

[imacman]

Welcome...glad to have you switch over from the "Dark Side" of the forums...LOL.

I'm assuming you've already purchased the stove....I hope you had the original owner fire it up for you before you bought it.

 

[VCBurner]

Welcome…glad to have you switch over from the “Dark Side†of the forums…LOL.

:lol: I will miss the logs and flames, but not the heat I hope!!
No, I have not bought it yet. The pic was from C List. I'm going to look at it tomorrow and put a down payment if I like it. So firing it up would be the first piece of advice?!

 

[imacman]

.....So firing it up would be the first piece of advice?!

YES! If the owner won't fire it up for you, beware. The stove will run anywhere you can get it plugged in, and does NOT need any exhaust pipe for a test run....I burned-in my new stove in on my deck w/o any pipe for 2 hours, no problem.

And as far as the price, kinda steep for a 9 yr old stove. If it runs, I'd offer him $750 cash.

 

[VCBurner]

I must admit my research is limited but the prices I saw for used pellet stoves are all pretty steep in my opinion. We are looking for a wood stove look alike and enviro seems to be respected. If I had 750 cash I would certainly offer it to him and see if he would bite. But I discussed the option of giving him 200 and taking a couple of weeks to stretch out the remaining 650. He agreed to the terms and this will give us the oportunity to set up the house in the meantime. The seller was asking 1100 and dropped it to 925, which generated interest, we settled on 850. I just don't want to miss the oportunity even if it is a 100 bucks more than it should be. I didn't see much in the high 100's that was nice mostly over 1000 were nice but we don't have that after just moving. I had to drop quite a bit of $ on the move.

Thank you for any input.

 

[imacman]

But the question remains....did you see the stove run?

Yes, Enviro is a good stove, and I'm sure that parts can be found for it if need be in the future.

Another advantage of a pellet stove, is the ability to connect a thermostat, which the Windsor does have.

 

[VCBurner]

The guy called me this afternoon and said the stove was sold. So the search continues. Thanks for the info.

 

[Don2222]

Hello

Something to consider.

I agree with Franks in the post below who has alot of experience, that steel stoves might be better performers. One thing I noticed about steel stoves is the better ability to shape the steel such as 3 sided glass doors and steel chambers inside the stove, do make it shaped to perform better.

See posting Cast iron vs Steel pellet stove
https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/74850/

I know the looks of Cast iron is really great but Steel does not get as brittle as cast iron except in that old 1913 boat called the Titanic! LOL

That is my 2 cents

 

[VTrider]

I have the same exact stove from 2001/2002 and I have to say it's been very reliable, high quality and easy to clean. That being said, I wouldn't hesitate buying a 9 year old Windsor for around that price 'if' it was in very good condition and well maintained. Don't feel bad about missing that sale, I saw the original post on CL and the ceramic glass in front had a crack in the corner which the owner said he 'repaired' with cement. The door for this particular model would set you back well over $200.00 alone.

If you like that model, I'd suggest looking for a used Empress (which pretty much replaced the Windsor) - newer model and parts would be easier to find.

 

[jtakeman]

It may take a bit to get used too pellet heat. Not quite the heat you'll get from the wood cranker. But the convenience of only filling the stove once a day and the steady heat over-ride the heat feel. Keeping the humidity up also helps the warmth factor.

Plus not dropping splits on the toes first thing in the morning is priceless!

 

[VCBurner]

I have the same exact stove from 2001/2002 and I have to say it's been very reliable, high quality and easy to clean. That being said, I wouldn't hesitate buying a 9 year old Windsor for around that price 'if' it was in very good condition and well maintained. Don't feel bad about missing that sale, I saw the original post on CL and the ceramic glass in front had a crack in the corner which the owner said he 'repaired' with cement. The door for this particular model would set you back well over $200.00 alone.

If you like that model, I'd suggest looking for a used Empress (which pretty much replaced the Windsor) - newer model and parts would be easier to find.

Thaks VT, how much do you go through in the way of pellets? These are a little bit heavy on pellet consumption, no? One piece of that glass is $200, wow I was thinking around $100. I looked at the empress new at a dealer, he said they were a bit heavy on consumption compared to some others he had in the shop. Some of the others he said about 1-2 lbs/ hour the empress eats about 3.5 lbs/hour. More than 3x the consumtion his best m,odel had at one pound/hour on low! That was one of those steel jobs with the bay window that could heat up to 3000 sq ft. I could probably keep it on low and still heat the 1600 sq ft in this house in the winter. But they run about $3000 brand new, which I'm not willing to pay. That plus cost of pellets I could heat the house for an entire year on oil. I'm looking to save, not spend. The most I ever spent on a wood stove was $550 on a reconditioned cat Dutchwest with all neww seams and gaskets. The thing looked brand new when I sold it a couple of weeks ago!

 

[VCBurner]

It may take a bit to get used too pellet heat. Not quite the heat you'll get from the wood cranker. But the convenience of only filling the stove once a day and the steady heat over-ride the heat feel. Keeping the humidity up also helps the warmth factor.

Plus not dropping splits on the toes first thing in the morning is priceless!

I could get used to the pellets I think, as much as I loved the wood fire, not having to load it three to four times a day could be easy to get accustomed to. I think I need a big stove with low consumption to save on pellets. Maybe a stove that will heat 2000-3000 sq ft then I could keep it on low and consume less. The real cold days up here in northern Mass are just like NH so I could cranck it up a bit! The house is only 1600 sq ft.

 

[jtakeman]

It may take a bit to get used too pellet heat. Not quite the heat you'll get from the wood cranker. But the convenience of only filling the stove once a day and the steady heat over-ride the heat feel. Keeping the humidity up also helps the warmth factor.

Plus not dropping splits on the toes first thing in the morning is priceless!

I could get used to the pellets I think, as much as I loved the wood fire, not having to load it three to four times a day could be easy to get accustomed to. I think I need a big stove with low consumption to save on pellets. Maybe a stove that will heat 2000-3000 sq ft then I could keep it on low and consume less. The real cold days up here in northern Mass are just like NH so I could cranck it up a bit! The house is only 1600 sq ft.

I always suggest a larger stove than needed and exactly what I have in my house. It will burn about 1/2 power in the normal cold weather. But if you get a cold snap you can and will have plenty of room on the top end. Sizing a stove to just enough for the space isn't my cup of tea. I will perform like an economy car, No power when its really needed. Plus most of these have thermostats for the fall/spring shoulder season. I suggest hi/low mode in the cold to extend the igniter some.

I'll second the Enviro plug. My Omega rocks! Closest thing to the woodstove feel we have had. And I never over work it, Most it has seen is the medium heat setting. And if power goes out even in the cold it brings the temps up quickly without additional heat sources. There are +'s to them major(big-a$$) BTU stove's.

 

[VCBurner]

I guess it would be the same as wood stoves the bigger ones are capable of more, but with some major differences. A bigger pellet stove will consume less pellets to heat more space, where a bigger wood stove will always usually consume more wood to heat a bigger space. Am I making sence?

 

[DexterDay]

Go Big or Go Home.. My Quad is only 47,5000 and I use Low 90% of the time. To heat 2,180 sq ft. You can find a good deal if you stick to it... Pellets are not as hard as one thinks. Its easier than Wood Heat. I just started this year with the 30. 10 cord in 3 months is killing me. Dont take nothing to move 3-4 ton of pellets... I dont think you will be dissapointed. Keep searching

 

[VTrider]

Thaks VT, how much do you go through in the way of pellets? These are a little bit heavy on pellet consumption, no?

I actually really under-utilized the Windsor since it really only heats a very small addition on my house, I only go through about 1/2ton a season. I've never heard that it's heavy on consumption, but then again it's usually always on the low settings. Newer stoves are probably more efficient.

There are +'s to them major(big-a$$) BTU stove's.

I have to agree with the above statement. I heated the main part of my home only with a big-a$$ wood stove for the last 7 seasons. Decided to make the switch this year and just installed a big-a$$ pellet stove to replace it. I went big and at face value seems like major over-kill, but everyone's home and heating situation is different - Based on my situation, I feel pretty confident I won't wake up cold come this Feb when it's -20F.

 

[sfcomm]

The guy called me this afternoon and said the stove was sold. So the search continues. Thanks for the info.

"The guy called me this afternoon and said the stove was sold" or you didn't showup for the appointment you made?? honesty?? :exclaim:

 

[DexterDay]

The guy called me this afternoon and said the stove was sold. So the search continues. Thanks for the info.

"The guy called me this afternoon and said the stove was sold" or you didn't showup for the appointment you made?? honesty?? :exclaim:

Ooooo.... 1st Post by Enviro?? Are you "The Guy" with the Windsor??

If so... Why are you selling it? What has been replaced recently? How many ton a year did you run through it? (I.E.- 4 ton/ year at 8 years = 32 ton) was this a primary source of heat? Or a weekend warrior warmer?

Welcome to the Forum. Are you looking to replace the stove with another pellet stove? Or just get rid of it all together?

Inquiring Mind/Minds want to know? (May just be me, but I still would like to know) Also, there is a Articles For Sale section. I purchased my Englander 30 woodstove through there. I drove over an hour away because the guy gave me such a great deal. You stove is a nice one. But it has some years on it. Is anything else included in the sale? Hearth Pad, Pellets, Flue, Etc??

 

[sfcomm]

@DexterDay

Yup first post and I am "The Guy" I couldn't resist the oppurtunity (to post) after having been stood up after agreeing to put the thing on lay away for VCBurner. So for your and all other inquiring minds, A friend had to move from NH to SC rather fast for his job. He had just purchased a 25PDVC, still on the pallet, never installed. He was going to rent his house here in NH, so he said come and take it, it's yours. So, I put in in the living room in place of the Windsor. It 's not as pretty, but I wanted to try a bottom feeder.

So that's why the Windsor is for sale. The auger motor and motor mount was replaced at the very end of last season. Prior to that, a couple seasons back, I put in a new igniter and burn pot and liner and I have replaced the auger motor one other time. I used the stove as my primary heat (cut my oil consumption by 85%. I still use oil for domestic hot water as well taking a chill off the bedrooms when the temps are below 0) for an 1100 sq ft raised ranch with cathedral ceilings in the living room, kitchen, dining areas. I'd use 3-4 tons of pellets a season. I start the season with 4 tons by the third season I'd only buy 1 or 2 tons. Ran the stove on a programmable thermostat in idle mode vs. ON/OFF mode the whole time.

No hearth pads, flue pipe. I do have some additional new spares (yes, I keep spare parts, I understand that these are mechanical pieces of heating equipment and I'm not afraid to work an a piece of equipment) that I put in the sale if selling for asking $925. Burn pot liner, auger motor mt, auger bushings, auger motor mt bushings, igniter

@VTrider a piece of ceramic glass from 13"x18"x3/16th" should be able to be purchased for 60-75$ from a glass shop. I will agree you can pay 200-250 for it from some glass shops and from Enviro.
@imacman I've looked at alot of enameled cast iron stoves and I think $850.00 is cheap and yes he could have fired it if he showed. If I can't sell the Windsor for a reasonable amount, I'll throw it in the shop, It just seems like way to nice of looking stove for that.

 

[DexterDay]

@DexterDay

Yup first post and I am "The Guy" I couldn't resist the oppurtunity (to post) after having been stood up after agreeing to put the thing on lay away for VCBurner. So for your and all other inquiring minds, A friend had to move from NH to SC rather fast for his job. He had just purchased a 25PDVC, still on the pallet, never installed. He was going to rent his house here in NH, so he said come and take it, it's yours. So, I put in in the living room in place of the Windsor. It 's not as pretty, but I wanted to try a bottom feeder.

So that's why the Windsor is for sale. The auger motor and motor mount was replaced at the very end of last season. Prior to that, a couple seasons back, I put in a new igniter and burn pot and liner and I have replaced the auger motor one other time. I used the stove as my primary heat (cut my oil consumption by 85%. I still use oil for domestic hot water as well taking a chill off the bedrooms when the temps are below 0) for an 1100 sq ft raised ranch with cathedral ceilings in the living room, kitchen, dining areas. I'd use 3-4 tons of pellets a season. I start the season with 4 tons by the third season I'd only buy 1 or 2 tons. Ran the stove on a programmable thermostat in idle mode vs. ON/OFF mode the whole time.

No hearth pads, flue pipe. I do have some additional new spares (yes, I keep spare parts, I understand that these are mechanical pieces of heating equipment and I'm not afraid to work an a piece of equipment) that I put in the sale if selling for asking $925. Burn pot liner, auger motor mt, auger bushings, auger motor mt bushings, igniter

@VTrider a piece of ceramic glass from 13"x18"x3/16th" should be able to be purchased for 60-75$ from a glass shop. I will agree you can pay 200-250 for it from some glass shops and from Enviro.
@imacman I've looked at alot of enameled cast iron stoves and I think $850.00 is cheap and yes he could have fired it if he showed. If I can't sell the Windsor for a reasonable amount, I'll throw it in the shop, It just seems like way to nice of looking stove for that.

Ok. Enough said. Sounds like you took good care of it. The parts alone are worth a fair amount. Welcome. Because you have the Englander?? Are you going to become a "frequent member"? Or is this some way of... Well, I won't go there. Congrats on the Englander. I personally, would rather keep the Enviro. But either way, I'm sure you will sell it. That's a pretty good price considering the parts. The broken glass will scare 90% of buyers away. Only the 10% that KNOW Pellet Stoves will bite. I would go ahead and spend the $60 (if that's what you can get it for) and replace the glass. Will make selling it much easier. IMHO.

 

[sfcomm]

Thanks for the welcome. It was some way of .....Well where you didn't want to go. However I do think I might hangout for awhile. I don't know about a "frequent member". Nice point on replacing the glass for the sale. Thanks

 

[VCBurner]

The guy called me this afternoon and said the stove was sold. So the search continues. Thanks for the info.

"The guy called me this afternoon and said the stove was sold" or you didn't showup for the appointment you made?? honesty?? :exclaim:

I apologize for the mix up. I received a text from someone saying thank you for your interest but the stove was sold. Among all the numbers I had called about stoves on craigslist I thought it was yours!! :-S I have been a member around here for a little while and it is not my custom to try to downgrade others on this site. I honestly thought the cell number attached to the text was yours!

For what it's worth, you seemed like a nice person on the phone and the deal we had agreed upon was more than good. The price was also very competitive for what's actually available as far as used pellet stoves. I did not mind the small crack on the glass as we discussed on the phone. I've been around stoves long enough to know that they are generally around $100 for a piece that big. I was surprised one of the members here quoted the glass as being $200. He must have been mistaking, but I sort of knew there was no way it would cost that much. I had no problems at all with the stove or anything we discussed. I posted this thread solely to get some input on the Windsor so I could make a more educated decision when I came down and saw you. I believe I mentioned to you on the phone I had been down at a dealer to look at the Empress model to which the Windsor had been the predecessor. There was not a word posted here aimed at disrespecting you at all. The text I received must have been someone else in NH with a similar number or at least area code, I was actually disapointed when I saw the text because I liked the stove! I have a hearth pad that would go well with it, the landlady approved and it is the perfect fit for us size and stylewise! Since you have not sold it my end of the deal still stands, I'll come down tomorrow day and give you the sum we discussed if you're still interested

Take care,
Chris

 

[VTrider]

@VTrider a piece of ceramic glass from 13"x18"x3/16th" should be able to be purchased for 60-75$ from a glass shop. I will agree you can pay 200-250 for it from some glass shops and from Enviro

You have a valid point there, I should have pointed out that you need not get the glass through the dealer and could DIY much cheaper - I was just basing the cost from a quick 3rd party search for parts on this model, Jeeez, i'm almost tempted to buy it from ya as a backup/parts stove for my Windsor! Especially since i've developed a blower issue which I cannot seem to resolve, but that's another thread. Anyway, good luck with the sale and welcome as well to the forums.

 

[DexterDay]

I have made mis-haps and mistakes before with emails when I am trying to get or sell something off of Craiglist. I have mixed up emails before and there are Names attached to them.

Honest mistake??? What matters is the deal can still be done if both parties allow.

I dont think anyone over-stepped any boundries or called anyone anything.

Cant we all just get along and talk about stoves, pellets, chainsaws, and related hearth products. I hope it all comes out in the wash.


Enviro.. If you are selling the Enviro, you could still change your username (To a name more fitting that you like/use more often.nickname) or leave it. But if your gonna stick around for awhile. I would love to see you start a new thread in the "Gear" section of the Forum on your "4 Duramax's" in your Sig line...

VC burner. seems like it was takin good care of. Has extra parts.


Hope the 2 of you can come to an understanding. This is not the place to Vent Anger/Fustration. You have each others #'s. Enviro still wants to sell. VCburner still wants to buy. Problem solved.

 

[VCBurner]

Thanks for the welcome. It was some way of .....Well where you didn't want to go. However I do think I might hangout for awhile. I don't know about a "frequent member". Nice point on replacing the glass for the sale. Thanks

Yes, I forgot to say welcome to Hearth.com! Nice people hang around here, I've met some who I would consider friends!