Englander 25PDV...WTF?

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DAKSY

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A buddy of mine has the unit - it was given to him & he used what ever venting the previous owner had to hook it to a Class A chimney where he'd pulled out an old wood stove...
He recently had a chimney fire, (first Pellet unit I ever heard having one!) so we're gonna replace all of his fried Simpson pellet vent with Excel.
He had used the old Simpson PVthat his friend gave him, which started with a 90* elbow then went to back-to-back stove starters to a another 90* elbow then vertical to the Class A...
Looking at the back of his stove, the exhaust adapter is pointing straight down...
Wassup with THAT????
I HAD intended to use a stove starter, then a 6 adjustable, to a 90, then vertical to a 3-4 increaser, thru a 4 to 6 Class A adapter, to a 4" liner, to the cap, but there isn't room for the starter & 90...there's BARELY room for the 90!
His PV90 had about a tube of GE Silicone goobed all over it to seal it...
I guess the question I have is why does this thing not exit straight out the back?
I know there's somebody here who works for Englander, & beat the crap out of me cuz I dissed the company,
but this is a pretty dumb set-up, IMHO...
Does this "quality" company make a square-to-round 90* adapter so I can vent this guy's unit correctly, or is Rube-Goldberg the way Englander planned this one?
TIA,
 
Every 25pdv I ever worked on went straight out the back. I've never seen an exhaust outlet on a stove go straight down? I've seen them back vent on either right or left or center and I've seen top venting ones, but never one that points down. That's weird has it been modified?
 
Shane said:
Every 25pdv I ever worked on went straight out the back. I've never seen an exhaust outlet on a stove go straight down? I've seen them back vent on either right or left or center and I've seen top venting ones, but never one that points down. That's weird has it been modified?

I crawled under the back of the unit - it's in an alcove location - & I couldn't believe the way it vented...The rectangular opening on the blower points straight down. The adapter is for the vent has a rectangular-to-round set-up & they are pretty much co-axial. It doesn't look like the blower can be re-positioned to change this configuration. It looks like it came from the factory like that...
I'm thinkin that all the restrictions resulting from multiple elbows in the vent caused the deposits which led to the chimney fire...
I'll admit that this unit is not one I'm familiar with, there MUST be a better way to install thi unit..
 
My pdvc goes straight out the back, and its just a 3 inch round cast aluminum housing no weird adapter needed
 
CZARCAR said:
pictures? or more descripts with less biass

No pix, went straight to my friend's house right after work, & his computer crashed so he can't send me any...
Bias? I'm trying to keep an open mind here. I have worked on Harman, Breckwell, Whitfield, Enviro-fire Englanders & even some dinosaur VC pellet units, & NONE of them exhaust DOWN...
Just goes against the principles of heat/venting...
 
DAKSY said:
CZARCAR said:
pictures? or more descripts with less biass

No pix, went straight to my friend's house right after work, & his computer crashed so he can't send me any...
Bias? I'm trying to keep an open mind here. I have worked on Harman, Breckwell, Whitfield, Enviro-fire Englanders & even some dinosaur VC pellet units, & NONE of them exhaust DOWN...
Just goes against the principles of heat/venting...
hey .off topic but i see your certified in your signature i'm looking into doing this ,roughly how much to get pellet certified$$$$$ thanks
 
The pricing is on the NFI website it's 369 for the manual and exam. I think I'm still certified as a pellet specialist til the end of this month. Bought the book, read it through and went to a local proctor to take the test. Wasn't really too bad.
 
<>hey .off topic but i see your certified in your signature i'm looking into doing this ,roughly how much to get pellet certified$$$$$ thanks<>

If you're an HPBA member the certification (manuals & testing ) is $349...
Non-members pay $499
 
DAKSY said:
<>hey .off topic but i see your certified in your signature i'm looking into doing this ,roughly how much to get pellet certified$$$$$ thanks<>

If you're an HPBA member the certification (manuals & testing ) is $349...
Non-members pay $499
thank you forthe info,a pellet stove dealer here in maine told me it cost him $6000.00 for each of his guys to be cetified,thats why he has to charge so much for installs.
 
<>thank you forthe info,a pellet stove dealer here in maine told me it cost him $6000.00 for each of his guys to be cetified,thats why he has to charge so much for installs<>

Maybe $6K for his WHOLE company...For $6K a pop, I'd expect LIFETIME Certs...
 
firewarrior820 said:
.....a pellet stove dealer here in maine told me it cost him $6000.00 for each of his guys to be cetified,thats why he has to charge so much for installs.

Methinks he might be "stretching the truth" some to justify charging a lot for his work.....anybody in Maine who's been certified and knows if that $6k figure is correct? Hard to believe it would be that much........
 
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