Englander 25-pdvc not burning like it used too.

[CladMaster]

My old '06 pdvc used to default to "D" mode...I also could independently set the heat on whatever setting I wanted and have the blower on "0" at the same time.

Thanks for the info.

On mine I can set the heat and blower to any setting with heat / blower in both 'c' and 'd' mode.

Mine is 2011 with the latest prom chip (rev 13).

 

[slvrblkk]

Thanks for the info.

On mine I can set the heat and blower to any setting with heat / blower in both 'c' and 'd' mode.

Mine is 2011 with the latest prom chip (rev 13).

I never ran mine in "C" mode so I'm not sure if it would been the same but i would ASSume in would have been.....

 

[Chrisnow86]

Changing the control board to C mode makes the stove feed more fuel per heat range.. It's a shap flame though it's not like the combustion blower is spinning faster and dragging more air threw the stove.. You could try changing to C mode and see what the stove does..

 

[CladMaster]

like i said feed is fluent ( there is no blockage ) everything seems to be in order. I watched the stove for a while and it seemd to incinerate pellets in about 30 secs or so ( from auger to half way through the burn pot ) The machine used to fill the whole burn pot and the whole pot would burn consistently. now it just burns up completely as it is fed. I tried filling the pot myself to give it a little jump start sort of speak and it burned down the whole pot and went back to incinerating pellets after a while. (pellets are not so dry they would burn so quick).

Your stove is burning correctly, this is how it should burn.

When the pot was filling up you must have been using smaller pellets, with smaller pellets more are fed into the burn pot, too many will cause what's known as lava burn (looks like a lava flow). Sometimes this state chokes the fire and starts to burn crappy.

 

[CladMaster]

If it looks like this ....

Too much fuel.


Should look like this ....

 

[Chrisnow86]

That second pic is from my stove lol

 

[Athair]

Your stove is burning correctly, this is how it should burn.

When the pot was filling up you must have been using smaller pellets, with smaller pellets more are fed into the burn pot, too many will cause what's known as lava burn (looks like a lava flow). Sometimes this state chokes the fire and starts to burn crappy.

I will try "c" mode after my pot burns downs again and see what happens. I have been useing the same pellets all year we buy them all at the same time.

Again very helpfull everyone ty and i will keep posting with updates.

 

[CladMaster]

That second pic is from my stove lol

 

[Athair]

If it looks like this ....

Too much fuel.


Should look like this ....

ok so my stove looks like the second pic right now and looked a little less than the first one before. but before it had more heat it was pushing out. Now I can actually put my hand on the top of the stove with out it burning me ( yes its hot but i can keep my hand there as long as i want) and i dont think that is right.

 

[Chrisnow86]

Well that second pic is with the stove set to mode C running on I think 5-9 for about 6 hours or so...

 

[CladMaster]

ok so my stove looks like the second pic right now and looked a little less than the first one before. but before it had more heat it was pushing out. Now I can actually put my hand on the top of the stove with out it burning me ( yes its hot but i can keep my hand there as long as i want) and i dont think that is right.

What is your room blower set at ?

Sometimes if the room blower is set higher than the heat number, the heat from the stove is thrown out quicker into the room, it cools the stove off quicker as the air is forced out the top / front of the stove.

 

[Athair]

What is your room blower set at ?

Sometimes if the room blower is set higher than the heat number, the heat from the stove is thrown out quicker into the room, it cools the stove off quicker as the air is forced out the top / front of the stove.

I was running the stove . . Temp=5-7 (depending on household need) blower usually on 9. Since this all happend I've been running blower speed at same as temp starting on 5-5 then going up to 7-7 then 9-9 (Because my home is getting cold).

My harman is a beast but it cant hold up to the whole house on its own. I need to get this resolved and i dont have the money to spend on a tech.
Again and again and again ty all very much I am learning alot and i think im getting close to solving the issue.

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

If you have the means you might want to monitor the vacuum switch operation just to rule that out as a possible contributor to your situation.


Also add to the list batch changes in the pellets you are burning. Yeah I hear ya, but it has happened before.

 

[CladMaster]

The colder it is outside the harder the stove has to work.

This is the same with any stove.

The 25-PDVC has it's limits, it's only rated to 22,400 BTU.

Mine struggled when the outside temps hit 17F or lower to keep my 1500sqft home above 67F.

 

[Chrisnow86]

Put the stove In mode C just for the hell of it, see what it does... You could jump the fire box vacuum switch just to make sure it's not a leak and the hose is good. And it's not disrupting the auger feed

 

[jss227]

Going by what I've read and the pictures, I had this same problem my 1st year with my PDVC. I thought I was doing a good job keeping everything clean. I vacuumed and scraped every day. I opened the cleanout every two weeks and beat on my chimney. By the end of the season I couldn't run the stove above 3 on settings 1-5-1 because it would get too hot. It would have a solid bed of coals an inch thick on the burn plate. The flames looked lively, but would fill the firebox. My problem was that I had never taken the chimney off the stove. The ash had built up solid from the blower wheel to the cleanout, leaving only a quarter sized hole for the exhaust. I take better care now.

 

[Athair]

Well I might try running in "c" but this is what I have come to think . . . .

My stove may have been running with an over feed "glitch" from the start of the year. After this problem with the latch occurred and I unplugged the unit, it may have reset back to a "normal" functionality, which to me would seem out of the norm for how it was functioning at the start.
Like I have said everything seems to be on the up and up; everything clean, everything snug, pellets are fine, feed is consistent.
Now the temp outside is regularly below 20f as Clad has stated it will have to work harder.
The upstairs 2nd floor (basement,1st,2nd,attic) is warmer still, since the problem, than it was last year so I am starting to believe that my stove may be fine and I have been wasting all of your time but with your help I have learned a lot and I think I will be saving up for a new Harman like the other one I have.
No insult to the Englander I just dont think it is a good fit to our home and regardless of model and btu. We needed an extra stove in a pinch and bought what we could afford at the time.
We had just bought a new house (120 years old) and found out it had no insulation in it. We were running oil, and the harman on full blast and could barley keep the house at 59f so the Englander has served its purpose and will continue to till we can afford a replacement.

Again thank you all so much for the help and information. I will continue this thread if further needed till then keep warm.

 

[CladMaster]

Invest your money into the home --- insulate it as much as you can, once you have done this, both stoves should heat that house easily depending on the size / area your heating.

Close rooms off that you don't use, no need to heat area's that are not used.

 

[doghouse]

We had just bought a new house (120 years old) and found out it had no insulation in it. We were running oil, and the harman on full blast and could barley keep the house at 59f so the Englander has served its purpose and will continue to till we can afford a replacement.

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Why replace the stove? Spend your money insulating your home. More return for your investment.

 

[Athair]

Invest your money into the home --- insulate it as much as you can, once you have done this, both stoves should heat that house easily depending on the size / area your heating.

Close rooms off that you don't use, no need to heat area's that are not used.

We insulted last year 1800sqrft 3 story

 

[doghouse]

We insulted last year 1800sqrft 3 story

PM on the way.

 

[Athair]

Small update.
Did nothing to the stove at all and it is still running the way it has been. But what I did do is take a little extra pinksulation and cover my basement windows with it backed by cardboard add in a little spray foam insulation and my basement is already notably warmer (not by much) and got a 3' difference in the rest of the house. Not bad if I do say so myself. So until I get around to trying mode "c" I will keep finding "cold gaps" and filling them every little effort helps.

Thank you all, keep warm!

 

[Chrisnow86]

You will notice a big difference once you switch the stove to mode C with my stove it was night and day with heat out put..

 

[DrewBoogie]

You will notice a big difference once you switch the stove to mode C with my stove it was night and day with heat out put..

I agree. Just went C this week. What pellets you burning Chris?

 

[Chrisnow86]

This week I was buring minute man soft wood got them from TSC pretty decent pellet.. Now I'm trying to chew up some green not so supremes.. The ash and carbon build up is a killer but they do put out decent heat..