Draft install concerns

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Squirrely said:
Consider the BK Princess with a 2.8 cu ft firebox. That's four times larger than a Squirrel firebox, and yet it uses the same size 6 inch flue. The Squirrel comes from the factory with a 6 inch collar, but from operating it I believe it would work just fine with a reducer, a 4 inch flue, and with the internal restrictor removed.

I'd email Morso and ask them. They'll know for sure.

Greg
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I think the manual is pretty specific about the 6" :(. I'm sure the BK princess is an impressive stove, but my room is so small and segmented from the rest of the house I'm concerned the squirrel might even be too powerful! Haha :)
 
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enigmablaze said:
I think the manual is pretty specific about the 6" :(. I'm sure the BK princess is an impressive stove, but my room is so small and segmented from the rest of the house I'm concerned the squirrel might even be too powerful! Haha :)
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Oh, I didn't mean consider the Princess as in whether to ~buy~ the Princess! !!!

Only to consider it's size in relation to the flue!


Greg
 
In Europe the small Morsø stoves are very popular on canal boats. Checking forums there they mostly run with a 4 or 5 inch pipe, very short chimney and the restrictor removed.

May not be super efficient but it works for them.
 
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Squirrel said:
In Europe the small Morsø stoves are very popular on canal boats. Checking forums there they mostly run with a 4 or 5 inch pipe, very short chimney and the restrictor removed.

May not be super efficient but it works for them.
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Of course. :)
So what if it doesn't burn with "perfect" combustion? It'll still work just fine. I saw those same boat installations.

It's simple common sense not to allow the best become the enemy of the better. ;)

Greg
 
Some folks want their stoves to burn as cleanly as possible. It sounds like with a straight up chimney that enigma's setup will work ok, without modification.
 
enigmablaze said:
Interesting, I'm glad you mentioned that, I did not look into the UK manual at all...sounds like I should shoot for 13-16 feet. I'm just concerned about having 7-10 feet of chimney above the roof...is that normal??!
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Chimney height vary depending on the installation and location relative to the center of the roof and pitch of the roof. We have 7' sticking out because our chimney doesn't exit close to the peak. It looks fine and has a single brace. Picture attached of a simple install as an example (not our chimney).

Is the stove location set in stone or could it be moved closer to the center of the house? That would reduce the exterior height a bit.

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Squirrel said:
In Europe the small Morsø stoves are very popular on canal boats. Checking forums there they mostly run with a 4 or 5 inch pipe, very short chimney and the restrictor removed.

May not be super efficient but it works for them.
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Wow, I think these would be adorable on boats! When it comes to mods, though I totally respect the know-how to do them, I do not posses that know-how. I'm sure my sweep would only feel comfortable with the manual's setup...I also live in a city where an alternate installation could be a problem.
 
begreen said:
Some folks want their stoves to burn as cleanly as possible. It sounds like with a straight up chimney that enigma's setup will work ok, without modification.
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begreen, do you think the top vent is entirely necessary? I want that stove top so bad! :)
 
enigmablaze said:
I also live in a city where an alternate installation could be a problem.
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In a city you will want to burn as cleanly as possible. Be sure to have fully seasoned wood too.
 
begreen said:
Chimney height vary depending on the installation and location relative to the center of the roof and pitch of the roof. We have 7' sticking out because our chimney doesn't exit close to the peak. It looks fine and has a single brace. Picture attached of a simple install as an example (not our chimney).

Is the stove location set in stone or could it be moved closer to the center of the house? That would reduce the exterior height a bit.

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The location is not set in stone yet, that's what we're really trying to cement now (if we want to get it installed before snow flies we have to decide pretty quickly). The problem is if we put it in the main house the cost of installation and mostly the cost of a chase to cover the pipe (that would come out either the front of the roof or the front/side of the house) is getting insane. I finally got a quote yesterday and when you add everything up it's getting around $15,000. Out of the question in my mind. If we put it on the back finished porch the cost is closer to $3,000.

Below is a pic I'd posted in January when we were STILL talking about location :). the new idea is #4. I know it will NOT help heat the main house (huge bummer, it really is) but that room is very chilly in the winter (slab floor and planked/rubber roof) and at least hopefully it will take the chill off back there and let us use that room in the winter...assuming of course it's not too big to burn of out of that one room!
 

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Also question, in the above layout *3 has a huge intake vent right there...am I correct that that would have to be significantly moved?
 
begreen said:
Chimney height vary depending on the installation and location relative to the center of the roof and pitch of the roof. We have 7' sticking out because our chimney doesn't exit close to the peak. It looks fine and has a single brace. Picture attached of a simple install as an example (not our chimney).

Is the stove location set in stone or could it be moved closer to the center of the house? That would reduce the exterior height a bit.

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Do those braces work on a mostly flat rubber roof too?
 
Yes, #2 looks great, but that installation price is ridiculous. There absolutely is not $12,000 more work or materials there. Not even close.
 
enigmablaze said:
Also question, in the above layout *3 has a huge intake vent right there...am I correct that that would have to be significantly moved?
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The stove is supposed to be at least 10ft away from the return air intake. That location looks like it also might mean a very tall chimney pipe outside if there is no room above it.
 
begreen said:
Yes, #2 looks great, but that installation price is ridiculous. There absolutely is not $12,000 more work or materials there. Not even close.
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That estimate (which is my estimated adding of the cost of stove, pipe, installation quote and contractor chase quote) was for location #3 (though more where the window is, we were thinking of moving the window). The chase quote was very expensive but it was to go up the side of the house. I never have received a quote on doing a chase for a pipe just coming out of the roof, though one contractor briefly surmised it would be $1,000...which I find very unlikely, isn't a chimney cover piece almost that by itself?!

the same stove at #2 would be more like 3500-4000 I think BEFORE whatever a contractor would charge for the chase and cover. So I'm guessing 6000 at the very least.

The problem is any installation in the "living room" will require a chase as it will be on the front/side of the house. I live in a city and have to be aware of how things will look on the front ;).
 
begreen said:
The stove is supposed to be at least 10ft away from the return air intake. That location looks like it also might mean a very tall chimney pipe outside if there is no room above it.
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Yeah that would require a huge hvac change. above the "square" of the main house is a 1/2 story cape cod style upstairs. The sunroom on the back is a one story "addition" type room on a slab.
 
enigmablaze said:
begreen, do you think the top vent is entirely necessary? I want that stove top so bad! :)
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If it were in my house I would top vent it. I don't like any smoke spillage. If the stove top is space is important maybe consider the Morso 2B as an alternative.
 
begreen said:
If it were in my house I would top vent it. I don't like any smoke spillage. If the stove top is space is important maybe consider the Morso 2B as an alternative.
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I really don't want smoke spillage either :(
Can you tell me which would be better, an 11' (total) chimney venting out the top or a 14' (total) chimney venting out the rear?
 
enigmablaze said:
begreen, do you think the top vent is entirely necessary? I want that stove top so bad! :)
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I only rear vent stoves because I like the top to be clear for cooking, heating water, and warming leftovers. And a 6 inch vent is so totally oversized for the tiny Squirrel, in my opinion you won't get any spillage even with rear venting. 6 inch flues work on stoves 4 times larger than a Squirrel.

Greg
 
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enigmablaze said:
Can you tell me which would be better, an 11' (total) chimney venting out the top or a 14' (total) chimney venting out the rear?
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Neither sounds great. Why would the top venting be 3 ft. shorter?
 
Squirrely said:
I only rear vent stoves because I like the top to be clear for cooking, heating water, and warming leftovers. And a 6 inch vent is so totally oversized for the tiny Squirrel, it doesn't really matter if it vents out the back.

Greg
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That's why I suggested the 2B. Lots of top surface and a much better log length too.
 
begreen said:
Neither sounds great. Why would the top venting be 3 ft. shorter?
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It wouldn't necessarily be at all, I'm just trying to gauge how much the back vent makes a difference. Basically can it be compensated for with more chimney height?

I mean, theoretically I could do even a 16' flue, it would just be about 10' of pipe above the roof (is that even ok?)
 
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