Corona Virus

[MTY]

SF, As someone who most likely is not in good health, your response was more emotional than logical. Anyone with the capacity to think should realize , and a trip through most care centers would demonstrate it, many are kept alive artificially. Only someone who was only using their head for a hat rack would not be able to recognize that age does not equate to health, and that when someone is being artificially kept alive they are more prone to pass from a virus that would only make a healthy person ill for a few days.
There was only a logical point made, not a comparison of canines to humans. Sorry you lack the ability to grasp that.

 

[SidecarFlip]

A dog is not a human like you said, and it's up to us to know when it is time to have it's life end. We had a German Shepherd that had bad hip dysplasia, and then developed Degenerative Myopathy , she was blind and couldn't control her bowels. It was up to us, as her caregivers to make the decision to put her out of her misery.

In humans, that is why it is so important to have an Advanced Directive on file, so your family knows your wishes, should you not be able to communicate. That way your family is making the decisions and not the Dr's.

Did that a long time ago, Remember I had what was considered terminal cancer (30% survival chance) so all the 'paperwork' was done long ago. I only go to St. Joe anyway, It's become my second home, great hospital great staff, I don't go anywhere else.

Don't want to become a statistic anyway. Was just there. Just got home actually.

 

[SidecarFlip]

I'm going to spend my time in quarantine learning how to make traps and tools to eat local wildlife.

I always eat local wildlife. I'm a whitetail hunter and I do my own processing as well. Only time I don't is when I hunt out west.

 

[PaulOinMA]

Dare county, NC Outer Banks closed to visitors starting 2 PM today. Closing the Wright Memorial Bridge (WMB)

Dare County News | Dare County, NC

Our house is in Currituck county, and I have to use the WMB to get on the Outer Banks. I can get on, if needed. I'm a non-resident owner and Currituck county mails out a re-entry permit, which I have.

 

[SidecarFlip]

And this! There is a reason Governors are freaking out.

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Maybe, maybe not. It appears that the concentrations of Wuhan Flu are in the coasts, your and the west coast right now. Trump is doing as much as he can at this point. Personally, I'm for imposed Martial Law and a complete no exceptions lock down but the American people aren't going to go for that..... yet.

The best avenue is 1. Be calm 2. Practice social distancing 3. Wash your hands regularly 4. Be a hermit and most importantly 5. Don't be a transmitter of Covid 19 because you feel you have to exercise your freedom of movement. It's a very selfish and self centered attitude and the driving reason why it's spreading. Ain't spreading by itself, it's spreading because of stupid and arrogant people.

I am glad I live in a remote, agricultrial area. Few people and those that live around me aren't positive so I', not too worried about locals. I worry about strangers and I practice social distancing with them. At least 6 feet away and not in line with their mouths if they are talking.

 

[Sodbuster]

Did that a long time ago, Remember I had what was considered terminal cancer (30% survival chance) so all the 'paperwork' was done long ago. I only go to St. Joe anyway, It's become my second home, great hospital great staff, I don't go anywhere else.

Don't want to become a statistic anyway. Was just there. Just got home actually.

You're right in my neck of the woods, and I use St. Joe as well, even though my wife works for UofM. UofM is great if you have a rare, funky condition, but unless you want residents hacking away at you while they learn, I'll pick St. Joe, so does my wife. Hope your condition improves.

 

[PaulOinMA]

… 4. Be a hermit …

Not a problem. I'm introverted. Way introverted.

I'm a Meyers-Briggs ISTJ. I was curious if it changed over time since I first did the test 30 years ago.

Did the following: https://www.16personalities.com/

Individual traits:

Introverted - 96%



I was watching CNN last night since there are no sports on aside from replay basketball. Like I really wanted to watch Miss State hit a last second shot to beat UConn in the 2017 women's NCAA Final Four again last night.

Don Lemon started his show chatting with Cuomo. Said he's a recluse, so self-quarantining and sheltering in place is not a problem.

 

[Seasoned Oak]

A lot of talk about giving everyone $1000 a month till this passes. Thats more than my SS check for paying in for 50 yrs. The printing press is on overdrive.

 

[WinterinWI]

Don Lemon

 

[Sodbuster]

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He must have been one of the three people that still watch that guy.

 

[bfitz3]

2.8/1000 vs 3.2/1000 with 60 million vs 325 million in population is way fewer beds available. Not to mention no country has the number of ICU beds we have or the ability to move as many patients around the country as easily as we do.

It is a breeze with all the transport rescources we have to move pts from a highly impacted area to a less impacted area for thoseICU beds. I take transfers daily that Italian Paramedics are not allowed to because we have advanced or healthcare and EMS systems way beyond most countries.

Hmmm... I’m willing to admit being wrong on that. I was citing a stat from a reputable source, but may have jumbled it. I Went hunting for the stat and couldn’t find it. Perhaps it was available icu beds? Ventilator/equipment related? Such is the problem with the scale of the issue and the number of sources available. I apologize

Regardless, we’re staring down some dire circumstances. Hopefully the current state of action will keep things manageable.

 

[begreen]

Just got word, our son's GF does not have corona, she has human-metapneumovirus ( hMPV). Not good, but a huge sigh of relief for now. They want to keep her on a nebulizer for 2 days, but there are no free beds. ER at one of our top hospitals is overwhelmed. And this is early on folks. Any talking head that says we have plenty of blah, blah, blah, is blowing it out of his or her ass.

Time we mobilized state National Guards and the Army Corp of Engineers to start setting up mobile hospitals and converting facilities into hospital units. This is going to be a critical need in a couple of weeks here as the virus continues to double every ~6 days. This is Great Britain's health system current beds assessment.

 

[Highbeam]

So get this, my wife is a school employee who is being mandated to provide daycare for first responders who have children that are unable to go to school due to schools being shut down. So now my wife spends all day with kids that go home to a first responder who is more likely to be exposed to the virus than one of the average population. The school district is a seperate "company" than the fire department. What's next? Roof the mayor's house?

 

[Highbeam]

New York is really on a tear. Passed WA for known cases, death toll rising. It's like a sporting event.

 

[begreen]

A good lesson on what happens as numbers double

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[SidecarFlip]

You're right in my neck of the woods, and I use St. Joe as well, even though my wife works for UofM. UofM is great if you have a rare, funky condition, but unless you want residents hacking away at you while they learn, I'll pick St. Joe, so does my wife. Hope your condition improves.

Actually, after what I went through, I'm in good health. I take nothing medication wise. I'm 'high on life' now...

I surmised you were. Was there today actually, sort of my second home. Great. compassionate and caring institution and I was blessed to get a personal referral to the IHA wing, they literally saved my life in no uncertain terms. One of the few medically orientated place I'm completely at ease at. I'm a 'very frequent flyer' there though not so much anymore but still pretty often. They treat you like family, I cannot say enough good about them, the surgeons and the specialists there, all great people. Heck, my wife and I have gotten to know some of the surgical staff personally.... We are there that much...

When I was there today (Huron Opthamology), for a refraction on my newly installed lenses (both eyes) was talking to the scheduler and she told me she was in the process of calling cataract patients with scheduled surgeries to inform them that they would not be performing any lens replacements for the immediate future, only cancer related surgery and emergency situations. Still very laid back, no masks but social distancing was being practiced and plenty of hand sanatizer everywhere. I have scheduled port flushes scheduled through August and a CT scan coming up. I may depending on how thngs play out, cancel some of the flushes and postpone the CT. I prefer not to burden them if the situation deteriorates. I'm all good (minus some parts) right now.

Nice to be alive I might add and I want to stay that way. If it wasn't for the St. Joe healthcare teams, I wouldn't be here posting this right now. I'm eternally indebted to them as well as the Lord for allowing me to stay on this planet a while longer, besides I still have people I want to pizz off.

Great place to be healed, I cannot say enough good about them and the doctors and surgeons that made it possible for me to continue living and being productive....

....and of course the excellent private healthcare my wife and I have. When you run up a tab well in the excess of a million bucks (and counting), it's good to have excellent healthcare.

Heck, we might actually be neighbors and not know it....

 

[Medic21]

Just got word, our son's GF does not have corona, she has human-metapneumovirus ( hMPV). Not good, but a huge sigh of relief for now. They want to keep her on a nebulizer for 2 days, but there are no free beds. ER at one of our top hospitals is overwhelmed. And this is early on folks. Any talking head that says we have plenty of blah, blah, blah, is blowing it out of his or her ass.

Time we mobilized state National Guards and the Army Corp of Engineers to start setting up mobile hospitals and converting facilities into hospital units. This is going to be a critical need in a couple of weeks here as the virus continues to double every ~6 days. This is Great Britain's health system current beds assessment.

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They have multiple FEMA hospitals around the United States. Won’t matter though as the people that staff them staff the current hospitals now. I know, I’m on one of the task forces. Beds are not as short in supply as personnel to staff the hospital.

This could be our country reaping what it has done to the medical field for decades. Medicare and Medicaid have driven down payments, 75% of the revenue facilities get, so low pay and working conditions have driven a lot of people from the field.

EMS is one of the fields that is about 25% understaffed nationwide. If you think the National Guard could replace me with a Medic to do my job your nuts. The 9 weeks of training they get compared to my 2 years of schooling. If a RN is in the NG they are in a hospital working also already. Same goes for drs.

They go days without having open beds regularly without this Virus. This is an example of letting the government, Medicaid and Medicare, dictate healthcare for decades. Buckle up, gonna be a rough road.

 

[paulnlee]

They have multiple FEMA hospitals around the United States. Won’t matter though as the people that staff them staff the current hospitals now. I know, I’m on one of the task forces. Beds are not as short in supply as personnel to staff the hospital.

This could be our country reaping what it has done to the medical field for decades. Medicare and Medicaid have driven down payments, 75% of the revenue facilities get, so low pay and working conditions have driven a lot of people from the field.

EMS is one of the fields that is about 25% understaffed nationwide. If you think the National Guard could replace me with a Medic to do my job your nuts. The 9 weeks of training they get compared to my 2 years of schooling. If a RN is in the NG they are in a hospital working also already. Same goes for drs.

They go days without having open beds regularly without this Virus. This is an example of letting the government, Medicaid and Medicare, dictate healthcare for decades. Buckle up, gonna be a rough road.

So you seem to think you have your finger on the pulse, what is your solution

 

[Seasoned Oak]

Just got word, our son's GF does not have corona, she has human-metapneumovirus ( hMPV). Not good, but a huge sigh of relief for now. They want to keep her on a nebulizer for 2 days, but there are no free beds. ER at one of our top hospitals is overwhelmed. And this is early on folks. Any talking head that says we have plenty of blah, blah, blah, is blowing it out of his or her ass.

Any possibility of being moved outside the high traffic area to a hospital that doesnt have a large outbreak yet,should be plenty of those now in the early stages?

 

[Highbeam]

Any possibility of being moved outside the high traffic area to a hospital that doesnt have a large outbreak yet,should be plenty of those now in the early stages?

Just like when a storm causes a surge in river levels downstream, you want to be ahead of the surge or behind it. I would rather be ahead this time I think. WA just popped up to 50 dead, but NY is in the lead for total infected.

 

[Medic21]

So you seem to think you have your finger on the pulse, what is your solution

We will have to ride it out. Those of us that work in the medical field know what’s coming if this is not controlled we will be in a world of hurt. Some will quit and walk away from the profession when the going gets hard. Some of us will not turn our backs. In the end most will live, some will not despite our best efforts but, it really is just another day in our jobs.

There is no way to sugar coat it, out hospitals on a daily basis are at 80%+ capacity and ICUs are over 90% capacity. This means there is very little room for extra patients. Unless you can find a way to stop people from having heart attacks, strokes, getting sick, etc. there is nothing we can do but, ride it out.

a lot of these critical pts will need one on one care and staffing is very low. The ratio of nurse to pt in most hospitals are stretched thin. ERs struggle to staff. Maybe, just maybe, this will wake powers that be up to realize staffing needs to be fixed. This isn’t a mass causality incident that we can call people in and work 18-20 hour shift for a week to get through. This will be a grind. A grind we are not prepared for.

Not a pretty thought but, reality never is. This country is in a horrible place before this and I can’t even say that we will get through this if we work together.

simple reply, WE F#*ked.

How’s that?

 

[SidecarFlip]

Just like when a storm causes a surge in river levels downstream, you want to be ahead of the surge or behind it. I would rather be ahead this time I think. WA just popped up to 50 dead, but NY is in the lead for total infected.

My humble opinion is... That attorney that disregarded instructions to isolate and went to church anyway and infected all those innocent people should be tried for Murder 1. No excuse except the 'all about me' mentality.

Begreen, glad she's not but things could change any day. Glad I don't live on either coast right now. I'm sure it's coming but at least we can somewhat prepare.

2020 is going to be a very bad year for many innocent folks.

 

[Sodbuster]

Actually, after what I went through, I'm in good health. I take nothing medication wise. I'm 'high on life' now...

I surmised you were. Was there today actually, sort of my second home. Great. compassionate and caring institution and I was blessed to get a personal referral to the IHA wing, they literally saved my life in no uncertain terms. One of the few medically orientated place I'm completely at ease at. I'm a 'very frequent flyer' there though not so much anymore but still pretty often. They treat you like family, I cannot say enough good about them, the surgeons and the specialists there, all great people. Heck, my wife and I have gotten to know some of the surgical staff personally.... We are there that much...

When I was there today (Huron Opthamology), for a refraction on my newly installed lenses (both eyes) was talking to the scheduler and she told me she was in the process of calling cataract patients with scheduled surgeries to inform them that they would not be performing any lens replacements for the immediate future, only cancer related surgery and emergency situations. Still very laid back, no masks but social distancing was being practiced and plenty of hand sanatizer everywhere. I have scheduled port flushes scheduled through August and a CT scan coming up. I may depending on how thngs play out, cancel some of the flushes and postpone the CT. I prefer not to burden them if the situation deteriorates. I'm all good (minus some parts) right now.

Nice to be alive I might add and I want to stay that way. If it wasn't for the St. Joe healthcare teams, I wouldn't be here posting this right now. I'm eternally indebted to them as well as the Lord for allowing me to stay on this planet a while longer, besides I still have people I want to pizz off.

Great place to be healed, I cannot say enough good about them and the doctors and surgeons that made it possible for me to continue living and being productive....

....and of course the excellent private healthcare my wife and I have. When you run up a tab well in the excess of a million bucks (and counting), it's good to have excellent healthcare.

Heck, we might actually be neighbors and not know it....

Roughly Argentine and M-59

 

[Seasoned Oak]

Were on the right track if we can self isolate. Stop the transmission. We are taking unprecedented steps practically shutting down the whole country. If we can level out the curve long enough to get ahead of this eventually there will be a cure for it. Im a bit surprised on the rapid nationwide shutdown but its exactly whats needed. Its what China did and the results are promising.

 

[SidecarFlip]

A lot of talk about giving everyone $1000 a month till this passes. Thats more than my SS check for paying in for 50 yrs. The printing press is on overdrive.

Not mine by a long shot but then I worked and paid all my quarters at a high paying (and taxed) job. I'll still take an extra grand a month from the Fed. I can use it for Toilet paper and wet wpies....