This is a classic Hearth thread. From Tarzan videos (a repeat, but always good), right through canoe-building, all seasoned with a heavy dose of math and physics! As they say - "priceless", and you just can't help getting a kick out of it. It keeps them coming back for more. If those reality show people got wind of this, they would want to make one about Quads voting wood cutters out of Central Sands (don't even think about getting on the show with a hyd splitter). Everyone voted off gets a "sucker" shirt. I'm in too much shock and awe to offer my .02, and anyway the thread has been completely mauled already. But after reading all 4 pages, not surprisingly, I couldn't remember what the OP's original question was. After going back to read that, I had to laugh because the thread could have been just one single-word reply (no). But that would have been a much less entertaining cup of coffee this morning :lol: