Chainsaw Safety...

[firefighterjake]

Things should never "go wrong" with harvesting firewood or any chainsaw use. Pro loggers AND those of us who simply harvest our yearly firewood have done it for decades without any serious accidents.
Planning the felling with care, with intelligence. Often where we harvest there is no cell service. Most do NOT want anyone near a cutting.
Diligent planning of each cut includes looking up for those widows, making the hinge, clearing an escape route, knowing where and how the tree will (will) drop, and the use of tools such as wedges and skill to use bore cutting for safety to direct the fall.
This is not high end theoretical physics; just plain brains with experience. Many here boast about NOT using full PPE.

What?

Sorry . . . I know personally of at least one guy who was killed by a falling tree who may not have been a pro, but had been cutting firewood and pulp wood for years.

The guy was not a dumb guy . . . things sometimes do go wrong . . . whether planned or unplanned.

 

[Cast Iron]

Jake is correct, things sometimes go wrong...fast.
But this idea of having someone look for "strange movements" is crazy. You plan, you cut, you stop with saw OFF, and look, cut some more, ...and use your brain.
Learn, get some pro experience, take intelligent precauTions (sp.), use ALL PPE, learn how to do emergency care on yourself, cut alone, think.
Who the hell wants inexperienced around ( even if it's "The Wife" ) to either cut or look after the feller ?
If we had to look for "strange movements" I'd rather go to the drugstore than use my saw.

 

[bholler]

Jake is correct, things sometimes go wrong...fast.
But this idea of having someone look for "strange movements" is crazy. You plan, you cut, you stop with saw OFF, and look, cut some more, ...and use your brain.
Learn, get some pro experience, take intelligent precauTions (sp.), use ALL PPE, learn how to do emergency care on yourself, cut alone, think.
Who the hell wants inexperienced around ( even if it's "The Wife" ) to either cut or look after the feller ?
If we had to look for "strange movements" I'd rather go to the drugstore than use my saw.

Who ever said the person we cut with is inexperienced? And doing emergency care on yourself is great unless you are trapped unconscious or incapacitated. I feel much safer with someone else there. Not to mention that for me that extra person comes with an extra truck which means more capacity and before i got a winch a way to get unstuck when that happens.

 

[bholler]

http://www.chainsawjournal.com/chainsaw-safety-tips/ read rule number 5 in general chainsaw safety.

https://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/infwoodburning/infcuttingfirewood.html and number 4 here

http://www.aces.uiuc.edu/vista/html_pubs/saw/saw.html number 4 in precautions

I linked to a few but after looking through about 30 sets of safety guidlines i found about half of them recomend not cutting alone and the rest say nothing on the subject. Not one recomended cutting alone. And honestly i have absolutly never heard that recomendation from anyone but you.

So who told you that was the safest way to cut?

 

[Jazzberry]

http://www.chainsawjournal.com/chainsaw-safety-tips/ read rule number 5 in general chainsaw safety.

https://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/infwoodburning/infcuttingfirewood.html and number 4 here

http://www.aces.uiuc.edu/vista/html_pubs/saw/saw.html number 4 in precautions

I linked to a few but after looking through about 30 sets of safety guidlines i found about half of them recomend not cutting alone and the rest say nothing on the subject. Not one recomended cutting alone. And honestly i have absolutly never heard that recomendation from anyone but you.

So who told you that was the safest way to cut?

This is ridiculous. You don't need to graduate from the Paul Bunyan Academy to figure out its much safer to cut with someone there with you.

 

[bholler]

This is ridiculous. You don't need to graduate from the Paul Bunyan Academy to figure out its much safer to cut with someone there with you.

I know but its pretty funny to listen to him try to defend his position

 

[Cast Iron]

Match.com will bring you a partner and go to your fav pharmacy for those "strange movements" ..
In fact, most professionals do NOT want people nearby. Mechanical Harvesters post large warnings in a cut to stay back at least 500 feet.
Ain't safe. Most of us do cut solo, have done it for years without serious accidents, and don't want anyone around. Too complicated.

Anyone have details on this Bunyan Academy ? Sounds like it comes out of this administration's Homeland Security.

 

[bholler]

Match.com will bring you a partner and go to your fav pharmacy for those "strange movements" ..
In fact, most professionals do NOT want people nearby. Mechanical Harvesters post large warnings in a cut to stay back at least 500 feet.
Ain't safe. Most of us do cut solo, have done it for years without serious accidents, and don't want anyone around. Too complicated.

Anyone have details on this Bunyan Academy ? Sounds like it comes out of this administration's Homeland Security.

So you are following the warnings for mechanical harvesters to determine how you cut with a chainsaw???? That makes complete sense.

And i dont know what kind of professionals you have by you but when pros here work they work in crews. But then again you pros supposedly only cut in the winter. Even though i was able to find out that wast true in a couple mins online.

So i will ask again where did you hear that it was unsafe to have someone with you when cutting? Because i have yet to find anything that says it.

 

[Jazzberry]

Cast Iron do you really think you can convince anyone that it is safer to cut wood alone? Stupidest chit I have ever heard. Give it up.

 

[Cast Iron]

The hysterical Forest Gump reactions are silly... Jazz and others in denial.
No one will or can give you the skill, experience, and intelligence to know how to use a tool.
You think that partner will warn you about widow makers ?
That that someone will tell you when and where to walk/step away from a falling tree ?
That someone will show you how to handle a cut so that it will fall where and how you want ?
The magic of "strange movements" is your brain and skill learned from experience and learning. Plan, cut, walk.
Do you alone, alone, have the knowledge to stop a wound ? Know TQ and blood stopping techniques FOR YOURSELF and the others ?
Ever take a Basic First Aid or Wilderness Medicine course? Do it for yourself and those partners.
Understand situational awareness without that iFon in your pocket.
What the H is so wrong about knowing the rules of felling and chainsaw use for efficiency and safety ?
No one we know who harvests 100s of cords over a lifetime without any accidents wants anyone nearby when felling......period.
Chit huh.

 

[bholler]

The hysterical Forest Gump reactions are silly... Jazz and others in denial.
No one will or can give you the skill, experience, and intelligence to know how to use a tool.
You think that partner will warn you about widow makers ?
That that someone will tell you when and where to walk/step away from a falling tree ?
That someone will show you how to handle a cut so that it will fall where and how you want ?
The magic of "strange movements" is your brain and skill learned from experience and learning. Plan, cut, walk.
Do you alone, alone, have the knowledge to stop a wound ? Know TQ and blood stopping techniques FOR YOURSELF and the others ?
Ever take a Basic First Aid or Wilderness Medicine course? Do it for yourself and those partners.
Understand situational awareness without that iFon in your pocket.
What the H is so wrong about knowing the rules of felling and chainsaw use for efficiency and safety ?
No one we know who harvests 100s of cords over a lifetime without any accidents wants anyone nearby when felling......period.
Chit huh.

Nothing is wrong with knowing the rules everyone should. Which is why i posted multiple sets. All saying dont cut alone. Lets see where you learned it was safest to cut alone. So you are claiming you are right because everyone you know does it wrong also???

 

[bholler]

The hysterical Forest Gump reactions are silly... Jazz and others in denial.
No one will or can give you the skill, experience, and intelligence to know how to use a tool.
You think that partner will warn you about widow makers ?
That that someone will tell you when and where to walk/step away from a falling tree ?
That someone will show you how to handle a cut so that it will fall where and how you want ?
The magic of "strange movements" is your brain and skill learned from experience and learning. Plan, cut, walk.
Do you alone, alone, have the knowledge to stop a wound ? Know TQ and blood stopping techniques FOR YOURSELF and the others ?
Ever take a Basic First Aid or Wilderness Medicine course? Do it for yourself and those partners.
Understand situational awareness without that iFon in your pocket.
What the H is so wrong about knowing the rules of felling and chainsaw use for efficiency and safety ?
No one we know who harvests 100s of cords over a lifetime without any accidents wants anyone nearby when felling......period.
Chit huh.

Oh and if no one can give you what you need to operate a tool safely why do you recomend classes? What about people learning to cut should they go out alone also???

 

[Ashful]

Oh and if no one can give you what you need to operate a tool safely why do you recomend classes? What about people learning to cut should they go out alone also???

Bholler, ignorance is bliss. Use your ignore button, that’s why it’s there.

 

[Cast Iron]

Already used Ash.
You two seem pretty close.

 

[bholler]

Bholler, ignorance is bliss. Use your ignore button, that’s why it’s there.

I kind of assumed he ignored me. He just cant handle the truth lol

 

[bholler]

It just goes to show his mentality. He clearly hasnt come here to learn anything. He only want to hear the opinion of people who agree with him. Unfortunately for him he is finding very few here that do

 

[Jan Pijpelink]

Bholler, ignorance is bliss. Use your ignore button, that’s why it’s there.

Where do I find that button? Don't see it.

 

[Jazzberry]

Where do I find that button? Don't see it.

Should be right next to Cast Irons name.

 

[Cast Iron]

Hey girls, you want to cut with that partner to look after you, hold your gloved hand, and watch for those "strange movements", do.
In fact all the official training groups we have enjoyed over years do emphasize having someone with the feller. OSHA, GOL in VT., insurance groups that mandate professional bonding. Oh, that assistant must be chainsaw and felling knowledgable.
You need the looker, fine.
The reality is that most here at least cut solo. Why ?
Safer: we don't want to worry about where that partner is when we want the tree going.
We non pros cut when we have the time== usually when it's cooler, no bugs, no deep snow. The chance to cut for few hours on our woodlots comes and goes. Getting that "assistant" is not always available.
There is an aesthetic ( maybe not for the macho types ) being solo, enjoying the woods, and a job well done.
I enjoy the skill, experience, and the end game of getting the BTUs in when I want, how I want.
Yes, there is a cell fon (where there's service) .
Yes, someone knows I'm going to be cutting from time A to B.
Yes, situational awareness takes over in every dropped tree.
Now start your engines with some intelligent critiques.

We all got a fat chuckle about the strange movement crowd. The one near skyscrapers was the best laugh.

 

[bholler]

I see cast and his gang that are to soft to cut in the summer know more than all of the safety and training agencies. Maybe they should start their own training organization. That would let them chest thump all day long.

 

[Jazzberry]

Cast Iron you need to leave the crack pipe alone for at least an hour before you post.

 

[Cast Iron]

Hey Jazz, no crack as yet. I did smoke weed long ago. But I coughed it up and certainly "didn't inhale " ( B. Clinton).
You gotta read the content...first. Then do those strange movements.
You do read and digest what is posted...don't you ?
What exactly do you feel triggered by ? Any of this post out of your ordinary experience ?
Know GOL ? Osha ? Stump vises ? PPE ?
Speak to us ! Speak !

 

[Jazzberry]

Your sneaking hits on the pipe again aint ya? See the problem is most of us don't smoke crack so we just don't understand what you are saying. But honestly I do think you are entertaining so personally I hope you keep hitting it before you post even if I don't understand what the hell your saying.

 

[Cast Iron]

Read. Don't get hysterical.
It ain't brain surgery....except.........

 

[Manly]

Cast Iron you need to leave the crack pipe alone for at least an hour before you post.

For safeties sake, one should never, I repeat, never bring their crack pipe into the woods when actively logging, cutting or bucking. This is a rule for our group when we head out into the thicket. We used to allow crack pipes and other adult "toys" when we would head out for overnight or longer forays into the wood. We had occasional issues with aggressive or inappropriate use of a crack pipe but nothing alarming. Once we started discovering the benefits and styling of bare assless chaps, the occasional crack pipe prank became a nuisance. As more women joined our logging crews and really began rocking the assless chaps, that was it, we had to prohibit crack pipes from coming in the woods. Folks were spending more time on the pipe than they were on the saw. Once we are out of the woods and the entire crew heads to the local lounge, the brewskies flow and the pipes glow. I am a pretty old and conservative guy, but I will have to say if you head to our local lounge after a long stay in the woods, you will see more crack than a toilet seat. As far as cutting alone in the woods, not something we recommend. We do have the occasional straggler who ends up alone in the woods, but they are not cutting with a saw. Typically they fall behind because of playing with their crack and pipe.