Backup power thoughts?

[tbear853]

Well, this morning a limb fell across my power lines, killed power as it tripped switches over yonder across the hill at the substation. Being hidden from the road, the power co. only knew was a bunch of people out, and they couldn't find it to get the circuits going, kept tripping. I woke as the wife was already awake looking at the stove down stairs, no fans going, we got smoldering burn pot and smoke because nothing was running. If we had had a BU or UPS, just to run the exhaust blower, it would have been nice. I called the power co., told them where it was, how to get to it. Guys showed up in sleet / rain and a few minutes with a chain saw, limb fell off the lines. Any body running a UPS on the stove have a suggestion?

I have a spare / extra / not being used APC BN-450M (450VA) and it has surge protection. What I'm thinking is maybe get a bigger one, use it between stove and outlet and if / when power fails and it beeps, wone of us go lift lid, turn stove off into shut down, but it'll run the combustion fan a while. With fan running, empty burn pot remnants into the ash pan, take it out to disposal, then put ash pan back, shut stove door, then turn the APC off entirely after the stove is shut tight.

Am I right?

 

[jackman]

I have an APC SmartUPS 750 on my stove which is enough to keep the stove going thru the shutdown cycle which is about 90 minutes. Or it gives me enough time to hook up my generator.

 

[tbear853]

I have an APC SmartUPS 750 on my stove which is enough to keep the stove going thru the shutdown cycle which is about 90 minutes. Or it gives me enough time to hook up my generator.

Thank You, would fill the bill. 👉🙂👈

 

[bogieb]

I have APC 850 UPS (used to be the 750, but they discontinued those). They are not pure sine wave so my stoves know when it is "dirty" power and will gracefully shut themselves down without me having to do a thing. In the last year, I've added a couple of battery stations that are set up as pass-thrus to the APCs, then to the stoves. I should be able to get an extra 5-6 hours of run time. If they run out, then the APC's would still shut the stoves down gracefully.

 

[tbear853]

Looked at Staples, they had the 450, the 650, a 900, and a 1500, and likely something I forget. I saw the APC BVN650M1 was on a sale, under $73. That 1500 one was like $219 ..... I bought the 650VA/360WATT figuring it would give us some time to get the worst smoke out, or time to get the generator up and running, or get the stove shut down. Stove does not have ignitor, etc, and in shut down just runs the one exhaust draft fan.

Also the surge protection is new to my stove.

 

[Dataman]

I run AIMS 1250 Charger/Inverter. Couple of 100ah Batteries (2018/19) that I will replace this Summer. It's good for 12 hours. Longest have gone is 10 hours (One 100ah Battery and 30ah for that run time). More expensive than simple UPS ($538 now, was about 400 when I got it). Plan on couple of 200ah Batteries for replacement for 24 hours. These are still good, but it's going to be time for replacement. https://invertersrus.com/product/picoglf12w12v120al/

 

[scajjr2]

I have the same setup as Dataman, works fine, longest we've had power out was about 8 hours.

sam

 

[mountainmike]

I had our pellet stove installed the year after we moved in- 2005. Even though I live in the mountains about a quarter mile off the road, our power rarely goes out. Hurricane Sandy was an exception. It was over 2 weeks before we got reconnected.

I finally broke down and bought a Predator 2000 a couple of years ago. A few months later we had a major ice storm and the generator kept our stove, tv and modem and fridge and freezer going for a day. I try to keep it maintained and ready to go.

I bought the cheapest Jackery- I think it's the 240, a few months ago. I got it for boondock camping and a cpap. Just for kicks I plugged the stove into it the other night and it ran the stove for around 2 hours. I figure if the power goes out I can use the jackery to shut it down or to keep me going until I get the generator set up.

 

[zrock]

Stay away from the cyber power units. Had one and when the stove was off the fans would briefly kick on for a second. Could never figure it out until I plugged a tower fan in and it fried it instantly.

 

[Dataman]

Stay away from the cyber power units. Had one and when the stove was off the fans would briefly kick on for a second. Could never figure it out until I plugged a tower fan in and it fried it instantly.

2nd that. Friend had one hooked up to Computer. It fried along with Computer during surge.

 

[shtrdave]

I don't get concerned with he stove shutting down, have had power outages and the stove shut off and no issues of smoke in the house, well no more than normal I get some smoke odor at times, but I think that has to do with some wind direction and it finding is way in from the outside. I have been looking at some of the EcoFlow stuff and have thought about something like that. If power goes out I have kerosene heaters I fire up, also a big gas range, fire the oven up and put something in to cook and it will keep the place pretty warm.

 

[tbear853]

Stay away from the cyber power units. Had one and when the stove was off the fans would briefly kick on for a second. Could never figure it out until I plugged a tower fan in and it fried it instantly.

What are they?

 

[clancey]

Talking technical again out of my brain limit--lol. , but I ask why don't you get a generic generator that turns everything on automatically and shuts down when the electric comes on and no power surges because you have something to take care of that--I think...You could get LP buried in the ground or natural gas and they are very very nice..They exercise once a week and hum when they are running--kind of like a car but a much lower sound...Just a suggestion here and for a back up they would be just wonderful instead of fooling around with all that work you are doing about.. Just curious ...clancey

 

[tbear853]

Talking technical again out of my brain limit--lol. , but I ask why don't you get a generic generator that turns everything on automatically and shuts down when the electric comes on and no power surges because you have something to take care of that--I think...You could get LP buried in the ground or natural gas and they are very very nice..They exercise once a week and hum when they are running--kind of like a car but a much lower sound...Just a suggestion here and for a back up they would be just wonderful instead of fooling around with all that work you are doing about.. Just curious ...clancey

Already thinking along that line, I have a few buddies that have them. Looking like a Spring thing. Thank You .... Les

 

[shtrdave]

I had thought about whole house generator when I moved to where I am now, talking to some of the neighbors, they say it doesn't go out that often and for not very long if it does. So I gave up on that expense. Been here 16 years and it has gone out usually for at the most 2 hours, we did have an outage that was maybe 8 hours. The thing I had not really given much thought to at the time was, the garage doors will not open without power, at least not the big door were I park. This came up a few weeks ago, the GF could not get out to go to work because the power was out. I told her I could pull the release and leave her out but she had already called and left them know she would be there when she could get out. So now I am thinking some type of plan would be a good idea. Whole house unit, while nice would probably not yield a good return on the investment. But maybe a larger portable power station would be, I have not done much research on them and how long the battery packs in them last.

 

[johneh]

I am a strong supporter of a whole house unit. We are susceptible to
outages so after the ICE STORM of 98 we installed a whole house unit
since then it has come on many many times 4 times of a week or more
It may not have paid for itself but I am more than satisfied with the results
Now with the new Generlink Transfer Switch, it is easier and more cost-effective
Plug your portable genny into it when the power is out and power your whole home
when the power comes back on it automatically goes back to your supplier's power

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[EbS-P]

The ecoflow delta 2 battery power stations were on sale a while ago. That’s enough to run the blower on low for several hours.

Whole house is expensive. A generator socket and on a 220 breaker with an interlock kit is the cheapest.

Take a look at solar + battery incentives before making any large decisions. I’m quite happy with mine. No snow down here most winters though.

 

[clancey]

Tbear 853- I think you are making a bad decision by not getting one for the future..That's just my opinion...c.hert

 

[tbear853]

Tbear 853- I think you are making a bad decision by not getting one for the future..That's just my opinion...c.hert

Well, could be I do get one.

I have a 13,500 watt portable and a 4,000 watt smaller one never yet used. I used to throw the main off and run the 13,500 back through the 220V50A welder outlet, and limit our use ... but a number of years ago I rewired for a nice 10 circuit transfer switch set up. I bought the little 4k for emergency back up to have in case the 13.5k blew up. Mine are gas, they are inside when stored, but on a covered patio off a basement shop room when running. I used the 13.5k one a few days in 2012 during the aftermath of a derecho, we just run it when we was home.

Tip .... in long storage, sometimes years, the rotor magnet will loose magnetism. They'll start on start mode, but since the generator then "doesn't", when you switch to generate the gov kills the engine because no generation is happening. Plug a light bulb in, it'll quickly light up as the magnetism is restored, just like that. I had a buddy give his away to buy a new one, thinking it was "dead".

 

[mellow]

I will just throw this out there, where I get UPS's from for work, heck of a lot cheaper and they work just as good as new.

I tend to stick with APC as they last for a long time, quick swap the batteries every 3-4 years and they keep going.

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