Are Vermont castings stoves really that bad?

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Hello,

I am also very new to wood stoves as I just bought my first VC Defiant Model 1610 from my neighbor. I was worried when I started to read the negative feedback about the Vermont Castings line of wood stoves. There really are many factors you must consider when looking at your purchase both new and used wood stoves. But one factor you must (and most importantly) need to include when making your choice, that is your expectations. Do you expect a worry free, relatively low maintenance, and low cost repair experience. Perhaps you are ready to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty, spend some money, and learn a lot about your stove. But you could be thinking somewhere in the middle. When I bought mine I really did not know what my expectations were because with VC you really never know what your going to find. So I expected the worse and am finding it not to be so bad. The way I look at VC is kinda like a Ferrari and that is it is high maintenance, costly, and takes an engineering mind to solve problems.

One suggestion I would make to you. That is when buying a used stove, low-ball the daylights out of the price. Because until you get it home and start going through it you don't know really know what you have. Eventually you will come across a seller who just wants to get rid of it. When I decided to get a used VC I would make low offers on every stove I could find and when they would say no, I said "next". Then I found a seller who's father-in-law bought it new and used it for a year, the seller took it out of his father-in-laws house (because he passed away) and installed it in his garage. Say's he used it twice and there it sat for years. I bought it for $300.00 USD and all it needs is a new Shoe Refractory ($200.00) and a cleaning with new paint. I have decided to replace the gaskets since I am going to repaint it. Not a bad deal. So we will see.
 
Hello,

The way I look at VC is kinda like a Ferrari and that is it is high maintenance, costly, and takes an engineering mind to solve problems.

The problem I see with that analogy is that a Ferrari is extremely nice to look at and drive. While the VC stoves may be nice to look at, and produce good heat, so do so many other stoves without the burden of the expensive repairs. A co worker recently put $800 into his Defiant that was 4 years old.
 
At 4 years old was his Defiant a 2N1 model or the previous generation?
 
At 4 years old was his Defiant a 2N1 model or the previous generation?

I would have to ask him. He mentioned a cracked fire back and the fountain fell apart upon disassembly? I wasn't there when he did it. You mentioned a lifetime warranty on it, which I then relayed to him. Unfortunately he had already purchased the parts from the dealer whom never mentioned such warranty.

Edit - He did the rebuild last year, so that makes the stove 5 years old now I believe.
 
And I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty and fix stuff. I just try to weigh the worth of it. I don't wanna overpay for something that I don't know how it was treated. It is a cat stove by the way. A 2461.
 
I would have to ask him. He mentioned a cracked fire back and the fountain fell apart upon disassembly? I wasn't there when he did it. You mentioned a lifetime warranty on it, which I then relayed to him. Unfortunately he had already purchased the parts from the dealer whom never mentioned such warranty.

Edit - He did the rebuild last year, so that makes the stove 5 years old now I believe.

I had two different dealers willing to sell me a fountain assembly before I asked for it to be covered under warranty. If it was a $50 part, that would have been one thing but at $300 and change, my hackles went up. One dealer told me they sell quite a few of them and had three in stock for my Encore. I'm not an engineer or a refractory guy but I just wonder why they're not building those parts any better today after so many have disintegrated in short time.
 
I'm gonna go look at a vc dutchwest this weekend that is used. I see some people really hate them. Are they really that bad? I know to look for gaps, cracks and broken refractory pieces. Just getting a few thoughts. And as much as I would love to I just don't have the cash to swing a new stove.
No.
The question is like asking "Are Ford vehicles really that bad" or something similar. The answer depends on:
1. The specific year/make/model in question. In general, if it's an older stove that needs new parts, the less problematic route may be another stove or manufacturer. In my own case, my used VC needed a new expensive refractory box, but I got the stove for only a few hundred so the deal was worthwhile, esp. since it's a problem free model if maintained.
2. Your expectations and experience with burning wood. The entire woodburning experience is not some mindless do a few things and walk away type activity. There's always some variable to check or pay attention to...how is the draft today, is the wood seasoned, is the stove up to temp to engage cat, is it time to replace gaskets, cleaning flue etc etc. etc. It's not something that lends itself well to the "ride it hard and put it away wet" mentality that never pays attention or maintains equipment. Perhaps VCs require a bit more attention, so if that' not your style/preference, then maybe another manufacturer is better.
Best of luck.
 
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Folks - it is not just the repair issue on these stoves. Dollars and elbow grease can get that job done. However, when done, some of these stoves (such as the 2n1 mentioned above) can have well documented operational issues. That is not something to gloss over. Some of the downdraft versions are touchy to get setup and operating correctly.
So its not just a maintenance issue - in many instances there are operational problems with these stoves.
It does me no service to be hard on these stoves - I think they have beautiful castings and are very sharp to look at. Unfortunately - depending on the model, they have all sorts of issues both in build and operation. Just pointing it out....
 
At 4 years old was his Defiant a 2N1 model or the previous generation?

The new 2n1 (Flexburns) do not have shoe refractories, he is most certainly describing the discontinued Defiant Model 1610 Everburn model.
 
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