Battenkiller- good stories. I completely relate to the watching the 180 deg. turn, look at the big grin while simultaneously ducking for cover thing. It's appalling and scary sometimes, knowing who has what, and knowing they shouldn't. (make sense?) When I was a practicing gunsmith, I was convinced about 80% of people should not be allowed to own firearms. I tried to teach as much as I could, but like you said, some people just never get it.