We can now grow food with LED lights in hydro tanks with fish underneath. Dont even need sunlight.
Keep in mind - that LED light is just recycled sun light. (if not natural sun, it takes tricity to make light (which can be made from sun)).
We can now grow food with LED lights in hydro tanks with fish underneath. Dont even need sunlight.
If you get it from nuclear power the sun is not involved in any way. Just about every other source of electric involves the sun. IF we were to experience a severe cooling event it would be one of the few ways to grow food.Keep in mind - that LED light is just recycled sun light. (if not natural sun, it takes tricity to make light (which can be made from sun)).
In the honor of course correction:
Sustainability is a constantly changing target. I remember when 100 bushel per acre corn was a big deal. Now 200+ is expected. Changes like this move the target. Now how many people can we feed?? (just one example).
Thats right ,until the cost of gas goes over $5 you wont see a sustained effort to get off it. THe people that control it know that:and try to keep it low as to "addict" as many of the worlds people as possible before demand intersects the downward curve of production.I'm a big fan of raising the cost of things, to encourage less waste, rather than find new, fancy, technology based ways to increase production.
In the case of aquaculture the fish are providing the nutrients. ANd the plants in turn are purifying the water for the fish. All natural.Don't forget that those plants need nutrients to grow which we are currently not returning back when we consume them. Right now we use artificial fertilizer to fill that gap made among others from natural gas. Sustainable farm yields look different IMHO.
there is some axiom or such that dictates that whenever we create higher efficiency, or production, we then find a way to use up that gain...through growth, or other form of exploitation. We could probably think out, to some degree where the theoretical tipping point is, but like Jags says, its a moving target. In the end, there are a lot of cultural shifts that need to happen to really acheive "sustainability"...I'm a big fan of raising the cost of things, to encourage less waste, rather than find new, fancy, technology based ways to increase production.
In the case of aquaculture the fish are providing the nutrients. ANd the plants in turn are purifying the water for the fish. All natural.
Fertilizer is not really a concern of mine. We are literally full of it.
Of course there is a % that can be harvested on a regular basis.So you are not planning on eating any of the fish or the plants then?
I guess you got my point. That human "fertilizer" needs to go back to those fields where we grow our food. Right now it goes to the dump or in the water treatment plant.
Not only that, but if the market required (price point allowed), we could be harvesting fertilizer from places like the dead zone in the delta of the Mississippi. Several other options are also available, just not financially feasible at this time.
Of course there is a % that can be harvested on a regular basis.
http://www.twincities.com/ci_222900...ertilize-plants-maplewood-warehouses-thriving
The feedstock here is electricity and fish food pellets as opposed to chemical fertilizer,pesticides,herbicides,diesel fuel ect. on a farm.You would have to compare this method of food production with conventional farming to see if its cost effective at todays food prices. It may be more cost effective already.Not saying it is a bad idea but when you take those amounts of food out you need to put back in the same amount of matter just in a different form. You cannot have a bag of sugar, take out 1 cup at a time and only put 1/2 cup back and think that is sustainable. Material input and material output must be the same; only energy can be supplied in excess (mostly thanks to the sun).
What trees grow fish food pellets? (I know that was being a smarty pants). Point is - still has to be manufactured with a feed stock and shipped to the "farm".
And watermelonsChickens. gotta work chickens in there somehow. Yum.
there is some axiom or such that dictates that whenever we create higher efficiency, or production, we then find a way to use up that gain...through growth, or other form of exploitation. We could probably think out, to some degree where the theoretical tipping point is, but like Jags says, its a moving target. In the end, there are a lot of cultural shifts that need to happen to really acheive "sustainability"...I'm a big fan of raising the cost of things, to encourage less waste, rather than find new, fancy, technology based ways to increase production.
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