Viessmann info

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heaterman

heaterman

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FYI, I just heard from the Viessmann rep that the company has made a major commitment to bring the whole shebang over here within the next 12-18 months beginning this fall/winter. Things are going to get interesting in the wood market.

I am lusting after one of these.

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Egads, do you have any idea of high quality a burner this is, compared to other higher end burners? The one in your attached picture looked unique and interesting and Viessmann certainly seems to be a well respected brand name. I received some literature from them recently but there was no mention of their selling gassifiers over here. And just when I had definitely decided to spring for the Froling.

Mike
 
.... the coveting and envy of boilers begins.... :)
 
Cost?.... COST!??? ..... COST is immaterial !!!

;) Initial cost is of secondary concern to the folks at Viessmann. They look only at efficiency, reliability and life cycle costs. Having met "und" spoken with Dr Viessmann along with understanding their business vision and direction, I can assure you that all their products from entry level to the top of their line will be in the upper price range per category. Having said that and having installed and worked with their gas and oil fired products, I can also assure you that it will indeed be the least expensive in the long run. Their R&D;budget alone is greater than the total annual sales of many US boiler manufacturers.
I am amazed every year when I go to my own boiler room to do an annual inspection of my Vitola 200. It's on it's 6th year of operation doing heat and DHW and it has required no cleaning or adjustment of any kind. Last I checked the cycle counter it has fired over 70,000 times without a failure. When I swing open the burner door I look in there, kinda scratch my head and close it back up, thankful that not all my customers own Viessmann equipment. I would be out of work.
 
A few notable things I have heard through the grapevine about this particular unit.

Negative pressure firebox for absolute control over combustion air path.

Lambda sensor

3:1 turndown from what I have heard

Independent Servo control of both primary and secondary air shutters

Hinged fluetube cleanout cover

Observe how they use the heated refractory to pyrolize the fuel before it even gets to the burn at the bottom. From what I can see there is little air at the top of the firebox to support outright combustion. You basically have charcoal by the time it gets to the burn stage of the process.

The control is accessible via internet or smart phone and will integrate with a whole house control system.

Operates on outdoor reset with automatic temp boost for DHW production.

Convenient top load just like the washer so the WAF should be off the chart.

Integral DHW production.

Load mode where combustion fan goes to high and air shutters close when the feed door is opened to eliminate smoke and flame in your face.

Air fed up through the grate to allow the use of an ash cleanout pan.

Impellor type open blade combustion fan will be nearly impossible to clog.

Downward flue gas path in the final HX pass to help precipitate any debris or particles out before entering the combustion fan and/or flue.

Positive pressure at breeching so it will not be affected by marginal draft chimneys. I haven't heard this but I would speculate that it could be side wall vented.

I could go on but you get the point..............
 
I'm confused.

I've figured that once the GW pays for itself, I would be getting a Vitolig200.

But what is this thing you've got here heaterman? How long has the Vitolig been around and is this unit replacing it?

Jimbo

EDIT** I checked out this 'new generation' unit. What is KOB?
 
my understanding is that KOB was an independent manufacturer that Viessmann acquired. Anyone know more about that?

Viessmann will bring a lot to the market, as they always do, but lower prices is not one of them. Good stuff.

Chris
 
ISeeDeadBTUs said:
I'm confused.

I've figured that once the GW pays for itself, I would be getting a Vitolig200.

But what is this thing you've got here heaterman? How long has the Vitolig been around and is this unit replacing it?

Jimbo

EDIT** I checked out this 'new generation' unit. What is KOB?
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Viessmann brings a good better best product line to market in nearly everything they sell. What you are looking at there is a KOB design, a company bought by Viessmann a couple years ago and integrated into their mix. From what I understand they have tweaked it here and there as well as changed the control platform to their own to enable it to integrate with any of their equipment. I would guess this will be in their top of the line category. It'll be interesting to see what shows up here and where the pricing is. I will post info on that as soon as I see it. If the big V follows true to form, they will not release any product until they are 100% satisfied that ALL the bugs are worked out of it. The company is absolutely anal about quality.
 
There's a Canadian outfit that imports KOB boilers already but I believe they are only the commercial size ones. They make some big boilers.

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Here's the KOB link in english..... happy drooling!!! :)
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Good ole germany engineering
 
Okay, I had to look, very impressive... please send me a KOB ECO 35, 45, 55, or a 65. I wonder what the cost will be on these guys when then get imported? Probably pretty pricey. :(

So can these units be direct vented?
 
BioHeat Sales Guy said:
my understanding is that KOB was an independent manufacturer that Viessmann acquired. Anyone know more about that?

Viessmann will bring a lot to the market, as they always do, but lower prices is not one of them. Good stuff.

Chris
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Viessmann bought KOB lock stock and barrel from what I understand. You are absolutely correct on the pricing. They choose to compete in areas other than price, which is a foreign concept to many people. Froeling is cut from the same cloth so to speak.
 
Since last fall a KOB boiler has been on the top page of my list of things to get when I find a brief case full of money lying in a ditch alongside the road.
Oh, and a 2KWH UPS to get it through a power outage.
Hopefully one briefcase will be enough. Not likely to find a second one.
 
heaterman said:
a KOB design, a company bought by Viessmann a couple years ago and integrated into their mix. From what I understand they have tweaked it here and there as well as changed the control platform to their own to enable it to integrate with any of their equipment.

I would guess this will be in their top of the line category.

The company is absolutely anal about quality.
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Ok, that sounds like GreenWood buying the Seton, making it better, then going belly up. If the Vitolig 200 has been a quality product for many years, it sounds safer to me than the KOB.

The thing about Germans . . . they tend to think they are superior, but when they make a product that is, in my view, it's worth the price.

But then, if Hitler had ridden around in a VW >:-( for a while, the whole human race coulda been spare BOTH of those POS.

Jimbo
 
All those parts plus the controller must be serious money.
Some good looking storage though.
31" wide x 38" long x 56" high
 

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Phased burn outs with automatic ignition when there is a heat call not satisfied by the accumulator (storage)?
 

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Really nice - I like the wood burner part, but would have no use for the oil burner (or a gas burner for that matter) as I would be keeping the existing HVAC system with it's fairly new mod-con furnace as a backup...

Also I would much rather do my own storage...

Does it look like it would be possible to get just a wood boiler, or would you be forced to by the whole setup?

Gooserider
 
Gooserider said:
Really nice - I like the wood burner part, but would have no use for the oil burner (or a gas burner for that matter) as I would be keeping the existing HVAC system with it's fairly new mod-con furnace as a backup...

Also I would much rather do my own storage...

Does it look like it would be possible to get just a wood boiler, or would you be forced to by the whole setup?

Gooserider
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I would bet that it will be available either way. Doubt if they would sell it as a package only.
 
Obviously, the best thing to do at this point is make sure that WE (Hearthers) are at the forefront of testing and knowledge base. I guess I am offering to take one for the team. I'll allow the full package to be installed at my test facility (aka, "the house") and will fully document the results. Assuming a materials/shipping cost of $35,000 and split evenly between the Hearthers, this should go at about . . . .

Um, Craig, how many Hearthers we up to now?

Can I assume heaterman will want to be there to contribute to this study by being the installer??


The things I am willing to go through for you guys :coolsmile:
 
Boy, and I AM in the market for an oil/wood boiler. Doubt I can wait for them to arrive here or for the price to be reduced by say $20k or so.
 
ISeeDeadBTUs said:
Obviously, the best thing to do at this point is make sure that WE (Hearthers) are at the forefront of testing and knowledge base. I guess I am offering to take one for the team. I'll allow the full package to be installed at my test facility (aka, "the house") and will fully document the results. Assuming a materials/shipping cost of $35,000 and split evenly between the Hearthers, this should go at about . . . .

Um, Craig, how many Hearthers we up to now?

Can I assume heaterman will want to be there to contribute to this study by being the installer??


The things I am willing to go through for you guys :coolsmile:
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Sorry man. If Heaterman is involved in a beta unit it's going to be in his own house :)
 
muncybob said:
Boy, and I AM in the market for an oil/wood boiler. Doubt I can wait for them to arrive here or for the price to be reduced by say $20k or so.
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Unless the Viessman is different-- to date, from all that I looked into, it seems like the combo wood/ oil units compromise efficiency on either the wood or oil side- such that separate units may be a better idea anyway, if you have space.
 
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