Used Englander 25PAH with issues

[Sono]

Hello all,
I just picked up another used pellet stove tonight, an Englander 25PAH. The issue it has is with the igniter, the guy says its too short and included a new longer igniter, but he couldnt change it because the 1/8" allen set screw is stripped. So Im looking for ideas to get this stripped allen set screw out so I can remove the igniter and change it out. It will be awhile before I can get to it as the pellet stove is in the back of my HHR stuck in the driveway due to ice, and Im not dragging it 120 yards to the garage on ice... so hopefully it melts soon so I can drive down and unload it, but for now Im gathering info to make this job a breeze hopefully. Not a good picture but thats all I have for now as it was dark out and icy . Thanks for any ideas and tips

 

[ericofmaine]

I guess the question is: the set screw on the igniter collar? I'd go to Harbor Freight and get their set of Titanium left handed drill bits. Start small and keep progressively going bigger. Eventually one should catch and will back the screw out. Either that or you'll end up drilling the crew out completely then I'd re-tap and forget about it.

Eric

 

[Ricks]

Not an expert but would a reverse drill bit work. I am thinking the allen screw isn’t that tight so using a reverse drill bit may work.

I know others suggest an easy out, but if the easy out breaks it will make removing the allen screw that much harder.

Good luck and I hope the ice melts so you don’t have to carry the stove to your shop!

 

[Sono]

I guess the question is: the set screw on the igniter collar? I'd go to Harbor Freight and get their set of Titanium left handed drill bits. Start small and keep progressively going bigger. Eventually one should catch and will back the screw out. Either that or you'll end up drilling the crew out completely then I'd re-tap and forget about it.

Eric

Thank you, Just hope theres enough room, I do have a 90* drill that should help.

 

[Sono]

Not an expert but would a reverse drill bit work. I am thinking the allen screw isn’t that tight so using a reverse drill bit may work.

I know others suggest an easy out, but if the easy out breaks it will make removing the allen screw that much harder.

Good luck and I hope the ice melts so you don’t have to carry the stove to your shop!

Agreed, I broke one before on the larger scale and it was nearly impossible to remove, and being this is so small its all the easier to snap one off. Once I get it in the shop Ill try to heat it up a bit and soak it with penetration fluid to hopefully make it easier to come out. Then clean it before attempting to remove ( clean all the oil/grease off ) so tools get a better "bite"

 

[Sono]

Due to ice, I cant get it unloaded out of my suv to the garage to get model and serial numbers. But looking at the parts the guy included, Im not sure if this is what he was refering to or just an extra? I got the set screws loosened as I got a metric to fit snuggly enough to break it free, but not sure if this is the piece or if there is another inside still until I open it up. He said something about the tube being too short but wondering if the igniter itself is too short as its about 1/2" shorter than the tube? I remember on another pellet stove the igniter actually came to the edge or a bit past the tube? These are pictures of the parts he included, tube with igniter and a new igniter the same size. With the fixed collar the igniter wont slide further in , Ill know more once I get the model number off the back.

 

[ericofmaine]

I guess I can't speak to the PAH but that doesn't look like the igniter in either my PDV or EPI. Not saying it isn't right, just not what mine looked like. In both of mine, there's a separate bolt that mounts the igniter to the stove, the collar acts as a stop. I changed one this fall but unfortunately don't have the old one to reference nor did I take pictures. That said, a model number would definitely help.

Eric

 

[Sono]

I guess I can't speak to the PAH but that doesn't look like the igniter in either my PDV or EPI. Not saying it isn't right, just not what mine looked like. In both of mine, there's a separate bolt that mounts the igniter to the stove, the collar acts as a stop. I changed one this fall but unfortunately don't have the old one to reference nor did I take pictures. That said, a model number would definitely help.

Eric

Agreed, it was dark and icy where I picked it up so I didnt get a chance to snap a pic of the tag before loading. Now that we are about to have a super cold blast starting tonight I know my drive will be nothing but ice for the next week, was hoping to unload it but not happening yet.

 

[Ssyko]

Most commonly the igniters should not extend to the end of the tube, it is hot air that starts the pellets not the igniter itself.

 

[Sono]

Most commonly the igniters should not extend to the end of the tube, it is hot air that starts the pellets not the igniter itself.

I cant remember from when I had the last pellet stove as I replaced the igniter and cleaned the sooted sight glass. But does air blow through the tube or around it as I didnt see any holes for air to flow inside around the element ?

 

[ARC]

But does air blow through the tube or around it as I didnt see any holes for air to flow inside around the element ?

In front of it air does not actually touch ignitor air flow sucks heat from in front of it and the hot air starts pellets on fire.

 

[Sono]

Got the stove unloaded and started cleaning and breaking it down. it was full of ash behind the covers, got all that vac'd and blown out, vac'd out all the old pellets. Took the igniter tube out and got a new set screw drilled and tapped ( old was really bad to get out )
So far the issues Ive found is the igniters were too short, the tube is about 6" long and the igniter was about 4" long.
Now I will need to find an igniter but confused on which model I have and how to measure the igniter. Do you measure the whole igniter body end to end or do you measure from collar to end? If I go end to end it should be around 6-3/4" or from collar to end would be about 5-1/2" Pics attached.

 

[Sono]

more of cleaning

 

[Sono]

Unloading myself wasnt bad, car was low to floor, and stepped down with dolly.

 

[Sono]

All the igniters I find online show 4.75" long ??? Is the igniter supposed to be that far back in the tube? I thought the igniter is supposed to be 3/8" to 1/2" from the tip of the tube?
Cant seem to find a clear part number or size for the ignitor? PU-CH6, PU-CH and PU-CHA all showing they are short, did find a 6" ignitor for a different stove, not sure if that will work or not , any help appreciated, thank you.