pellet stove pipe with a small wood stove?

[leslief]

Hi, we are installing a tiny camp stove 8" x 8" x 15" for a 12 x 12 cabin. The stove uses a 4" pipe. We have a few sections of leftover Simpson Duravent double wall pellet stove pipe. I was wondering if it would be OK to use it. We would put a pellet stove chimney adapter on it to connect it to a 6" insulated chimney pipe before exiting through the roof, adding the appropriate support kit, flashing, etc. and following the recommended installation of a chimney.

The specs say " Inner wall is .012" type 430 stainless steel for pellet burning. Outer wall is .018" galvalume steel. Pipe OD is diameter plus 5/8". Listed 617J type L/Low temperature venting system. "

I've attached a picture of the stove... (not set in place yet) Thanks in advance for any advice... I've been reading these threads for a few years and they helped tremendously!

Leslie

 

[vvvv]

yes ithink & better than 1wall steel pipe..........that is the tiniest!

 

[leslief]

Yes, it's so tiny I'm not sure how it will do... I'm told it burns really hot. It's 1/4" steel all around. Lot of reloading though...

What do you think about clearance with a pellet pipe on a wood stove?

 

[vvvv]

What about clearance?

36" to combbbustible reducible to 18" with proper fireshield by code ithink. i monitor by placing hand on surface & if i cant hold it there, its too hot.......but me not code

 

[DanCorcoran]

"Listed 617J type L/Low temperature venting system."

Will the exhaust from the woodstove qualify as low temperature? I think woodstove flues often see temperatures of 600-800 degrees and higher. What does that spec mean by "low temperature"?

 

[BrotherBart]

Simpson pellet pipe is tested and rated for temps up to 570 degrees. Which you will exceed in a heartbeat in a wood stove. Don't do it.

 

[leslief]

Simpson pellet pipe is tested and rated for temps up to 570 degrees. Which you will exceed in a heartbeat in a wood stove. Don't do it.

Exactly what I needed to know... thanks.

 

[vvvv]

Simpson pellet pipe is tested and rated for temps up to 570 degrees. Which you will exceed in a heartbeat in a wood stove. Don't do it.

wow! ss inner pipe + galv outer pipe vs 1wall steel pipe.............whudda thunk it

 

[Delta-T]

Simpson pellet pipe is tested and rated for temps up to 570 degrees. Which you will exceed in a heartbeat in a wood stove. Don't do it.

wow! ss inner pipe + galv outer pipe vs 1wall steel pipe.............whudda thunk it

consider that the pipe is only "intended" to be used on a pellet stove, they have little need to test beyond that range. It may hold up just fine, but since its not generally expected to, why test it? I'd still find appropriate wood stove pipe, that being said, I would be curious to see how the pellet pipe would hold up.....just as an experiment.

 

[BrotherBart]

Simpson pellet pipe is tested and rated for temps up to 570 degrees. Which you will exceed in a heartbeat in a wood stove. Don't do it.

wow! ss inner pipe + galv outer pipe vs 1wall steel pipe.............whudda thunk it

Me. :coolsmirk:

 

[Highbeam]

The construction of pellet vent may include some sort of silicone sealant, ropes, or other low temp jive. Then people get all upset when you heat up galvanized metal for fear the zinc will become a vapor and make you ill. If it was plain stainless steel tube or even 4" exhaust pipe (galv) I would feel better about using it.

 

[leslief]

Now I just have to find steel 4" pipe.. which won't be easy. Any recommendations?

Thanks in advance,
Leslie

 

[Dakotas Dad]

Here is some..

(broken link removed to http://www.woodstove-outlet.com/woodstove/gal424pipe.htm)

no affiliation, just the first google foo...

2nd googlefoo..

http://store.colemans.com/cart/4-in-stove-pipe-4-sections-p-127.html

again, no affiliation, but I can say I have used this military pipe, and it held up to high temperatures..

 

[begreen]

4" is used on some of the little marine stoves. This is stainless pipe.

http://www.marinestove.com/Accessories.htm
http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=93255F&WT;.mc_id=gb1

 

[leslief]

Thanks for the replies. Now I see the issue of going from a 4" pipe to a 6" chimney. I can only find 4-5 inch increasers or 5-6" increaser. It's beginning to feel a bit more hassle than that little stove is worth.

 

[begreen]

I was wondering about that. Just how much heat are you expecting from this little guy? I thought Maine cabins got mighty freakin, knee knocking cold at times. Or will this only be used in milder weather?

 

[leslief]

Would this work to go between the pipe and the chimney?

(broken link removed to http://www.woodstove-outlet.com/woodstove/flueadapt.htm)

 

[leslief]

I was wondering about that. Just how much heat are you expecting from this little guy? I thought Maine cabins got mighty freakin, knee knocking cold at times. Or will this only be used in milder weather?

The cabin is being built on land we just bought which we will build a house on next year... it's only 14 miles from our home, so it will be used when we want to spend the weekend working on the land and for recreation. I can't see wanting to go there in the frigid cold. It's really more of a tent camping stove or for an ice shack. Still, the cabin is only 12 x 12. I think it would heat it if we could get it all installed, but we would have to fill it a lot, which would be annoying, and we would have some very cold mornings.

 

[begreen]

Yep, sounds like you have summed it up pretty well.

 

[BrotherBart]

I can't search for it at the moment but there are a lot of four to six increasers for pellet stoves. They are 304 stainless so they should be fine for the transition. I have one. Cost me thirty bucks locally but I have seen them online.

 

[BrotherBart]

Here is one for stove pipes.

(broken link removed to http://www.csnstores.com/asp/show_detail.asp?sku=ITR1008&PiID=2211166)

 

[wyosioux]

Have a stove very similar to that little guy, except mine is 12" by 12" and however long... maybe 22" or so. Ironically, I use it in a 12' X 12' hunting tent. Spent many nights in it, mostly in single digits and often below zero. We use the snap seam single wall and this is in a tent. We have run continuously for a good 10 hours or so at a time. Have never had a problem, and again, this is in a tent. I would think tent walls not nearly as resistant to heat/flame as your cabin walls. I would run single wall galv. if it were me and put up some kind of shield.

You will definitely want to have a damper, and know how to use it! And, finally, you will keep quite warm feeding that thing. One thing you have over me is insulation though, so might not be too bad. Mine will be getting a workout this weekend as a matter of fact.

 

[leslief]

Here is one for stove pipes.

(broken link removed to http://www.csnstores.com/asp/show_detail.asp?sku=ITR1008&PiID=2211166)

That's great.. now I know it's possible. Thanks for the link!

 

[leslief]

Have a stove very similar to that little guy, except mine is 12" by 12" and however long... maybe 22" or so. Ironically, I use it in a 12' X 12' hunting tent. Spent many nights in it, mostly in single digits and often below zero. We use the snap seam single wall and this is in a tent. We have run continuously for a good 10 hours or so at a time. Have never had a problem, and again, this is in a tent. I would think tent walls not nearly as resistant to heat/flame as your cabin walls. I would run single wall galv. if it were me and put up some kind of shield.

You will definitely want to have a damper, and know how to use it! And, finally, you will keep quite warm feeding that thing. One thing you have over me is insulation though, so might not be too bad. Mine will be getting a workout this weekend as a matter of fact.

I've already located a 4" damper. I used to have a big jotul years ago and learned the ins and outs of heating with a wood stove. We will have insulation, and 4 dogs with us, 2 weighing over 80 pounds.

We'll be sleeping in a loft though.. so it will be a pain to go up and down the ladder to fill it. I've read on the "Tiny House" sites that we could put bricks or rocks around it that would retain the heat longer. Add a few sub-zero down sleeping bags and we might just have all the warmth we need.

I like that it's small and steel.. so it will heat faster & cool faster than a cast iron if we just want to warm up for the afternoon. Also, since the cost of the 4" pipe and adapter is so low... it wouldn't be a big deal to switch out to a bigger stove if needed and replace the pipe. We just might try it.

btw, you all are great to offer advice. A few years ago when shopping for a pellet stove I learned everything I needed to know on here. We ended up with a St. Croix Hasting and love it!

 

[wyosioux]

Have a stove very similar to that little guy, except mine is 12" by 12" and however long... maybe 22" or so. Ironically, I use it in a 12' X 12' hunting tent. Spent many nights in it, mostly in single digits and often below zero. We use the snap seam single wall and this is in a tent. We have run continuously for a good 10 hours or so at a time. Have never had a problem, and again, this is in a tent. I would think tent walls not nearly as resistant to heat/flame as your cabin walls. I would run single wall galv. if it were me and put up some kind of shield.

You will definitely want to have a damper, and know how to use it! And, finally, you will keep quite warm feeding that thing. One thing you have over me is insulation though, so might not be too bad. Mine will be getting a workout this weekend as a matter of fact.

I've already located a 4" damper. I used to have a big jotul years ago and learned the ins and outs of heating with a wood stove. We will have insulation, and 4 dogs with us, 2 weighing over 80 pounds.

We'll be sleeping in a loft though.. so it will be a pain to go up and down the ladder to fill it. I've read on the "Tiny House" sites that we could put bricks or rocks around it that would retain the heat longer. Add a few sub-zero down sleeping bags and we might just have all the warmth we need.

I like that it's small and steel.. so it will heat faster & cool faster than a cast iron if we just want to warm up for the afternoon. Also, since the cost of the 4" pipe and adapter is so low... it wouldn't be a big deal to switch out to a bigger stove if needed and replace the pipe. We just might try it.

btw, you all are great to offer advice. A few years ago when shopping for a pellet stove I learned everything I needed to know on here. We ended up with a St. Croix Hasting and love it!

I think you will be just fine using this stove. One more thing (not to throw further confusion to your situation), but I have also used coal on those bitter coal nights. Seems to last quite a bit longer and not as much getting up to reload. I definitely was not familiar with burning with coal, but I have always been an adventurous learner, and now I feel very comfortable burning it in my little stove. A little tricky to get it going but once it is going, not bad.

Fire it up, sounds like a fun place!