Pacific Energy Summit Classic vs. Jotul F55

Newburnerwisconsin

Feeling the Heat
Jul 8, 2015
410
wisconsin
What would be the major differences between these two stoves. Which one has had more problems with cracking? Which one is more durable? Thanks.
 

begreen

Mooderator
Staff member
Nov 18, 2005
78,602
South Puget Sound, WA
The Jotul is a tube stove. A bit less convenient for cleaning, but a really nicely made stove. I like the door latching better on the Jotul. The Summit Classic is a different style, it's porcelain steel clad, a better direct comparison is the Alderlea T6 which is cast iron clad. The Summit and the T6 have PE's EBT secondary burn control which helps extend burn time by regulating the secondary air. They also have PE's unique stainless steel baffle box which combines baffle and secondary air manifold and ports. This baffle is tough and won't crack if one accidently bumps it with a log. The Alderlea series goes one further with the swing out trivet top.

All stove companies can have an occasional mis-weld or early design error. Most correct them quickly. This was the case with the early Summit (2008-2009). There have been a couple model updates since then. There were a couple reports of Jotul weld cracks too, but I haven't heard of any for a while.

Part of what keeps a stove in good condition is the operator. That means not overfiring the stove, not slamming in logs against the firebrick or ceramic baffle, and cleaning it on a regular basis.
 

Sodbuster

Minister of Fire
Sep 22, 2012
1,095
Michigan
I don't know anything about the Jotul, but I have a PE Summit that I am satisfied with. I think all in all, I prefer the tube system, I think it makes it easier to see the secondaries burn and is a "prettier" fire. JMHO
 

Knots

Minister of Fire
Mar 13, 2013
1,173
Alfred, Maine
I only have experience with the F55. Looked at both when buying. I don't think you can go wrong with either one.

I've had the F55 hot a couple of times with no problems. I liked the door system and lack of an ash tray, so that's why I went with it.
 

Newburnerwisconsin

Feeling the Heat
Jul 8, 2015
410
wisconsin
I only have experience with the F55. Looked at both when buying. I don't think you can go wrong with either one.

I've had the F55 hot a couple of times with no problems. I liked the door system and lack of an ash tray, so that's why I went with it.
How do you clean your f55? Can you remove the baffle? I am thinking of using a rear exit then a clean out tee in the pipe. Thanks for your time.
 

Knots

Minister of Fire
Mar 13, 2013
1,173
Alfred, Maine
The baffle can be removed, but I haven't. At the end of the season I clean the glass, clean the chimney, shovel and then vacuum out the ashes, and then cap the chimney.

Mine is a top exit and I have a sliding pipe section between the stove and the ceiling. Three screws and it slides...
 

sutphenj

Burning Hunk
Nov 19, 2010
160
West MI
I also have not had to remove the baffle on the f55. I've got a rear exit with a tee and to my surprise didn't have to clean the pipe after year one. With that T looks like it's going to be super simple when needed.....installed this way on purpose.
 

Newburnerwisconsin

Feeling the Heat
Jul 8, 2015
410
wisconsin
I also have not had to remove the baffle on the f55. I've got a rear exit with a tee and to my surprise didn't have to clean the pipe after year one. With that T looks like it's going to be super simple when needed.....installed this way on purpose.
Thank you and everyone who replied. I have all the info I need now. I appreciate everyone for your time and knowledge.
 

vwmike

Feeling the Heat
Oct 7, 2013
253
Chilliwack, BC, Can.
All stove companies can have an occasional mis-weld or early design error. Most correct them quickly. This was the case with the early Summit (2008-2009). There have been a couple model updates since then. There were a couple reports of Jotul weld cracks too, but I haven't heard of any for a while.
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Not to hijack but where do this generation of summit typically crack?
 

begreen

Mooderator
Staff member
Nov 18, 2005
78,602
South Puget Sound, WA
Not to hijack but where do this generation of summit typically crack?
Around the top sides of the door opening. Hogwildz documented this well.
 

Newburnerwisconsin

Feeling the Heat
Jul 8, 2015
410
wisconsin
I also have not had to remove the baffle on the f55. I've got a rear exit with a tee and to my surprise didn't have to clean the pipe after year one. With that T looks like it's going to be super simple when needed.....installed this way on purpose.
Could you please post a picture of your stove and clean-out tee? How well do that work for
You? How do you clean on top of the baffle? Thanks
 

Newburnerwisconsin

Feeling the Heat
Jul 8, 2015
410
wisconsin
The Jotul is a tube stove. A bit less convenient for cleaning, but a really nicely made stove. I like the door latching better on the Jotul. The Summit Classic is a different style, it's porcelain steel clad, a better direct comparison is the Alderlea T6 which is cast iron clad. The Summit and the T6 have PE's EBT secondary burn control which helps extend burn time by regulating the secondary air. They also have PE's unique stainless steel baffle box which combines baffle and secondary air manifold and ports. This baffle is tough and won't crack if one accidently bumps it with a log. The Alderlea series goes one further with the swing out trivet top.

All stove companies can have an occasional mis-weld or early design error. Most correct them quickly. This was the case with the early Summit (2008-2009). There have been a couple model updates since then. There were a couple reports of Jotul weld cracks too, but I haven't heard of any for a while.

Part of what keeps a stove in good condition is the operator. That means not overfiring the stove, not slamming in logs against the firebrick or ceramic baffle, and cleaning it on a regular basis.
I wonder how the T6 can be rated for 99,000 btus and the F55 for 83,000. They have a similar size firebox. Which one is more accurate? Anyone know about this?? Thanks.
 

begreen

Mooderator
Staff member
Nov 18, 2005
78,602
South Puget Sound, WA
Take peak BTU rating with a grain of salt. This is mfg testing, not EPA. I'm not sure there is a consistent testing method across all manufacturers. You are not likely to see this peak unless you stoke the stove like a fireman every 15 minutes.
 

Woody Stover

Minister of Fire
Dec 25, 2010
10,644
Southern IN
I wonder how the T6 can be rated for 99,000 btus and the F55 for 83,000. They have a similar size firebox. Which one is more accurate? Anyone know about this?? Thanks.
I have some confidence in the EPA numbers since they have matched my experience on the stoves in my signature, YMMV. Anyway, they have the T6 at 41275 BTU/hr. and the F55 at 30400. Quite a difference.
 

begreen

Mooderator
Staff member
Nov 18, 2005
78,602
South Puget Sound, WA
Yes, the EPA testing is with a controlled, known wood source and quantity.