Looking for wood burning inserts that will fit my fireplace!

[Jkphillz]

Hey everyone, I am quite new to this, I want to buy a wood burning fireplace insert and I am having a lot of trouble figuring out one that will fit my fireplace. The dimensions are Back width 22", Front Width 29", Depth 21", Height 30.25 inch. Would a Sirocco 25 fit my fireplace? I was told to buy the biggest one possible that would fit!

 

[begreen]

Looks like the BK SC25 would just fit. Measure twice.

 

[bigealta]

That looks like a nice place for a cigar burn style woodstove. 1/2 in and 1/2 in front of the opening.
But that's just my preference.

 

[Jkphillz]

Looks like the BK SC25 would just fit. Measure twice.

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Looks like the BK SC25 would just fit. Measure twice.

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Thank you sir, the blaze king website showed the back width at 21 7/8" I'm just curious why the dimensions you linked are different

 

[Jkphillz]

That looks like a nice place for a cigar burn style woodstove. 1/2 in and 1/2 in front of the opening.
But that's just my preference.

Can you link me a model that is that style so I can further understand what that is?

 

[begreen]

Thank you sir, the blaze king website showed the back width at 21 7/8" I'm just curious why the dimensions you linked are different

This is from the manual. It's only 1/8" different. With the stove at 18 3/8" deep the rear width shouldn't be an issue in the 21" deep space.

 

[bigealta]

Small - jotul 602
Bigger- jotul 118 old stove
Jotul 118 cb black bear, replaced the older jotul 118
Vermont castings aspen
I'm sure others can point out a few others.

The jotul 118's would all have to be bought used.

I'm assuming that concrete floor goes out pretty far in front of the fireplace.

 

[begreen]

The OP said the biggest possible. I'm not sure if the tax credit is an issue or not. If this is an exterior wall fireplace then a radiant stove is not the best solution.

 

[EatenByLimestone]

Cigar burn stoves are long, thin stoves. They tended to burn a log slowly from 1 end like, well, a cigar.

Current stoves are the VC Aspen, and I think the Hearthstone Lincoln fits this description.

I don’t think they make the Jotul 602 anymore. I think the 118 has been discontinued for a while.

 

[bigealta]

The OP said the biggest possible. I'm not sure if the tax credit is an issue or not. If this is an exterior wall fireplace then a radiant stove is not the best solution.

Yeah i saw that. Cigar burn shape is what i was thinking because it could physically fit nicely especially if mostly out in front of the fireplace. As an original 118 fan and clone owner i really like it and it can crank out a lot of heat, but of course that means dealing with USED stoves.

Just thought i'd throw it out there for discussion.

A pic of the room would help.

 

[Jkphillz]

Small - jotul 602
Bigger- jotul 118 old stove
Jotul 118 cb black bear, replaced the older jotul 118
Vermont castings aspen
I'm sure others can point out a few others.

The jotul 118's would all have to be bought used.

I'm assuming that concrete floor goes out pretty far in front of the fireplace.

Concrete comes out 42.5" from the back of the fireplace and about 20.75" from the rockwork

 

[Jkphillz]

The OP said the biggest possible. I'm not sure if the tax credit is an issue or not. If this is an exterior wall fireplace then a radiant stove is not the best solution.

Does exterior wall fireplace mean one that is on the edge of the house? Because that is what I have. Also what do you mean by radiant stove?

 

[Tron]

Does exterior wall fireplace mean one that is on the edge of the house? Because that is what I have. Also what do you mean by radiant stove?

A radiant stove is one that transmits it's energy primarily by direct radiation. In your case a part of the radiant energy would go to the back, the outer wall, and be lost.
A convective stove heats by heating the room's air, which circulates. That's a better option for you, especially with an insert. They need to "poke" out of the hearth a bit so they can release warm air out the top and draw in cooler air from the bottom.

 

[Jkphillz]

Yeah i saw that. Cigar burn shape is what i was thinking because it could physically fit nicely especially if mostly out in front of the fireplace. As an original 118 fan and clone owner i really like it and it can crank out a lot of heat, but of course that means dealing with USED stoves.

Just thought i'd throw it out there for discussion.

A pic of the room would help.

Here is a pic of the room, this is the larger half of the 2 sections. Room is 2 sections with the total size about 32 ft x 13 ft with 8 foot tall ceilings, I am open to buying a used stove because I don't know if I can justify $7.5k to spend on a stove right now. I am also interested in the tax credit. I am very appreciative of the knowledge and help y'all are giving me.

 

[Jkphillz]

A radiant stove is one that transmits it's energy primarily by direct radiation. In your case a part of the radiant energy would go to the back, the outer wall, and be lost.
A convective stove heats by heating the room's air, which circulates. That's a better option for you, especially with an insert. They need to "poke" out of the hearth a bit so they can release warm air out the top and draw in cooler air from the bottom.

Thank you sir, I understand now. Any other ideas to any other inserts that would fit and wouldn't break the bank too much? My house is 1800sqft including the upstairs and basement but I will be satisfied with one that will heat just the main level about 900 sqft maybe? From my understanding I have quite a small fireplace.

 

[Tron]

Maybe it's just me, but if I had to go with an insert instead of a free-standing stove, I'd always pick one that extends a bit into the room, to get that convective heating going.
Looking at your measurements, you might fit a Princess insert that is built that way, in contrast to the Scirocco (since we're in the BK forum here).

Princess 29 - Blaze King

The Princess 29 is a high-efficiency wood fireplace insert, with a HHV efficiency rating of 75%. The Princess 29 has a large 2.6cu.ft. firebox yet its design allows it to be installed into small fireplaces. This insert extends 11” onto the hearth thus allowing more of the firebox heat to radiate...

www.blazeking.com

I personally am totally convinced of the BK principle with a cat and a thermostat. Mine just runs at a given setting and keeps the house at a constant temperature for hours. No fiddling with anything required.

 

[Tron]

but I will be satisfied with one that will heat just the main level about 900 sqft maybe? From my understanding I have quite a small fireplace.

You have to distance yourself a bit from the idea that a larger stove will heat more sqft., it is true only to an extent.
The idea of the BK's is to provide constant output over hours, and unless you're in Alaska in Winter, the maximum output (BTU/hr) isn't really needed. And certainly not for 900sqft.
The size of the stove mainly determines how long it can do that between reloads, so you'll have a warm house even with a smaller insert, it just means it'll need reloads more often.

In any case, unless you provide a means to distribute the heat (ceiling fans rotating backwards, for instance), it'll always be warmer at the stove than 30' away, especially if it's another room. That's just physics.

 

[bigealta]

Well i'd still be looking at a woodstove. A medium size probably. I don't want to rely on a fan for a stove/insert to work. I also just prefer free standing stoves. Something that can be part in and part out in front. But again that's what i have and that's what i like.

 

[Tron]

I don't want to rely on a fan for a stove/insert to work.

That's why I mentioned an insert that sticks out further into the room. I have no experience with inserts, but I suspect that they do provide quite some performance even with the fans switched off.

But I'm with you, I also prefer a free-standing stove, but in OP's situation, an insert would be the best option. I don't think he wants to demolish half the fireplace.

 

[bigealta]

That's why I mentioned an insert that sticks out further into the room. I have no experience with inserts, but I suspect that they do provide quite some performance even with the fans switched off.

But I'm with you, I also prefer a free-standing stove, but in OP's situation, an insert would be the best option. I don't think he wants to demolish half the fireplace.

Rear exit stove pipe stove and no need to touch the fireplace.
Size of stove would be limited though. But that's the case for an insert as well.

 

[EbS-P]

I have an insert and a stove. The insert is better. Both needs fans.

Check out the Drolet 1800i to see if it will fit. It’s a great value. I like mine.

 

[stoveliker]

Can you explain how the insert is better? (Assuming it's not simply a better brand/design, but better as in "insert>stove" better?)

 

[EbS-P]

Can you explain how the insert is better? (Assuming it's not simply a better brand/design, but better as in "insert>stove" better?)

I believe my insert is better because
1. Well thought out convection system. You can stick a radiant stove in a fireplace but I needs a fan. What kind? Where donor put it? How fast do you run it? When do you run it? I ran my fan too much and too high last year and had noticeable buildup that was in the liner and in ash drawer.
2. Size. You can fit a bigger insert the same space as a free standing stove. If your are opening is normal sized.

3. Stove selection. Unless you have 36” high opening you you have many more choices of inserts that operate well than free standing stoves.

Now if you said I’m just going to burn weekends in and don’t want to heat the whole house then a stove would be fine.

 

[stoveliker]

That all makes sense.

Regarding the size; a stove can protrude into the hearth and be bigger than what would fit in the fireplace. (At a cost of space used that an insert would not.)

 

[bigealta]

That all makes sense.

Regarding the size; a stove can protrude into the hearth and be bigger than what would fit in the fireplace. (At a cost of space used that an insert would not.)

That's how i think about it.