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miles220

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ok this is totally a newb question but i dont seem to understand kickback. i have run saws for personal use for years and now i cut once a week also for personal use. i have never experienced anything that scared me or alerted me to being a 'kickback'. i now run a stihl 034av 20" bar, for my primary saw and use the stihl rapid super chisel chains. i do all of my own sharpening and have been extremely pleased with the results. so i guess my question is what does a kickback result from?, what does it look like?, how often to people experience the action? i know this is probably a silly or self explained question but just looking for some personal experiences. thanks - steve.
 
This will help.

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miles220 said:
ok this is totally a newb question but i dont seem to understand kickback. i have run saws for personal use for years and now i cut once a week also for personal use. i have never experienced anything that scared me or alerted me to being a 'kickback'. i now run a stihl 034av 20" bar, for my primary saw and use the stihl rapid super chisel chains. i do all of my own sharpening and have been extremely pleased with the results. so i guess my question is what does a kickback result from?, what does it look like?, how often to people experience the action? i know this is probably a silly or self explained question but just looking for some personal experiences. thanks - steve.

your running them the right way, you may never experience it.
 
I've ran chain saws for over 50 years and the only time I've experienced it I had to self induce it just for kicks (pun intended) to see what it was like. Naturally, I did this on a very low speed. Regular sawing, I've never experienced it. Some seem to get it a lot but I don't understand that at all.
 
I'm another one with over 30 years experience with the saw and while I've had saws bounce around a good bit I've never had a saw 'kick back' to any extent worth mentioning. You know those guards they used to (maybe still do for all I know) put on the tips of guide bars? I have never run a saw with one attached. Low kickback chains? I never buy them. Still nothing unexpected and I tend to use the tip of the bar a bit more than I probably should.

Having said that and just sitting here with my thumb in its normal warm spot it occurs to me that when I have been hurt, or very nearly so, while cutting it has almost always been because a limb or branch unexpectedly snapped back and hit me. That said I wouldn't want to tell someone who was just becoming acquainted with a chainsaw that it wasn't a serious problem. Just because I've been either lucky or luckier doesn't mean that they will be and if someone got hurt because of a kickback I wouldn't want to be the guy who told them there was no such thing.
 
Backwoods Savage said:
I've ran chain saws for over 50 years and the only time I've experienced it I had to self induce it just for kicks (pun intended) to see what it was like. Naturally, I did this on a very low speed. Regular sawing, I've never experienced it. Some seem to get it a lot but I don't understand that at all.
One of our recent EMS calls was a gentleman who cut the top of his foot while steadying a log. He also said that he's been cutting for 50 years with nary an injury. Sometimes I think it's just the odds and maybe we luck out with our bad habits until that one day. Tough to be human. Be safe Dennis.
Ed
 
I think kickback results mostly from the tip of the bar getting some bite and not ripping through whatever its hitting...it effectively stops the chain and turns it into a tank track and the bar starts moving upwards...because you're holding onto the saw you just became the fulcrum of the arc the saw will describe and the end of that arc is usually around your face.

I've never experienced kickback either, but I have felt the saw perform kickback-like behavior when the conditions are just right...doing an undercut and the top pinches in on the top of the bar for example...that saw handle is coming at you pretty damn fast.

When you do get kickback, it happens so fast that you cannot react to it. Even if your saw brake kicks on automatically and stops the chain like its supposed to, you're still going to get smacked in the face by your saw.
 
Just file your rakers down......that's the fastest way to experance kick back. :bug:
 
Never had a chain saw kick back, but I don't use them anywhere near as much as most wood burners here. When I used to use them, I always kept my left hand in contact with the safety guard so the blade brake would kick off as soon as the saw kicked back. At this point (after several near misses with other things besides kickback) I prefer to let the pros do what they do best and let me take it easy.

But don't let your years of experience lull you into complacency. I'm a woodworker with over 30 years experience. I only had two kickbacks with a table saw in all those years. The first occurred about 25 years ago, soon after I acquired my table saw. That one threw a 2" x 2" x 12" long square I was making a hammer handle out of into my right hip so hard I thought I broke it. The second one - which almost took my life and left me nearly blind in my right eye - happened about 2 1/2 years ago. I was so used to nothing ever happening that I completely spaced out the sound of a block of wood ringing against the blade. Just as I was reaching down to shut the power off, the block of wood reached up to hit me near the right temple at about 175 MPH.

The force was so great that I was knocked back a few feet, the impact severe enough to almost make me lose consciousness and I fell to my knees. When I recovered enough to stand I noticed that everything was blurry. Then it all got bright red, then yellow, then my vision vanished. I called upstairs to my wife that I was in serious trouble. The saw was still running, so she shut it off and turned to help me. There was blood everywhere, and I knew right away I might lose the eye. When I went upstairs to look at it, the entire iris was grey (I have brown eyes) and the eye was unresponsive and just lifeless looking.

I went through a horrible ordeal, forced to sit in a recliner without moving for three weeks so the artery I busted inside the eye could heal. A re-bleed would have meant certain and permanent blindness. The intraocular pressure went right off the chart (almost 50 at one point; normal is about 12-15) and they thought I might suffer optic nerve damage. Then I developed a severe cataract, but there was so much other inner damage that I had to go to a trauma eye specialist in Philadelphia to do the surgery. He had to put "extra parts" in there and said it was "touch and go" for a while, but he is one of the best in the country at traumatic cataract surgery (he did Larry Holmes' eyes), so I consider myself blessed that I found him, and that my insurance would cover "out of the system" procedures. The list of bad stuff that happened just went on and on. Now, over two years later, I have partial vision (but terrible depth perception) in the eye. My pupil is permanently "blown" (won't constrict like the other one), I have glaucoma, retinal scarring, etc. More surgeries are likely to be needed over time. All because of one careless moment by a guy who was smug as hell about his tool skills.

So be careful out there, boys and girls. I hate to look like I'm preaching, but an out-of-control chain saw can do a lot more damage than a block of wood can do. It happens in a heartbeat, and then you have the rest of your life to fret about what might have been, if only...
 
Battenkiller said:
Never had a chain saw kick back, but I don't use them anywhere near as much as most wood burners here. When I used to use them, I always kept my left hand in contact with the safety guard so the blade brake would kick off as soon as the saw kicked back. At this point (after several near misses with other things besides kickback) I prefer to let the pros do what they do best and let me take it easy.

But don't let your years of experience lull you into complacency. I'm a woodworker with over 30 years experience. I only had two kickbacks with a table saw in all those years. The first occurred about 25 years ago, soon after I acquired my table saw. That one threw a 2" x 2" x 12" long square I was making a hammer handle out of into my right hip so hard I thought I broke it. The second one - which almost took my life and left me nearly blind in my right eye - happened about 2 1/2 years ago. I was so used to nothing ever happening that I completely spaced out the sound of a block of wood ringing against the blade. Just as I was reaching down to shut the power off, the block of wood reached up to hit me near the right temple at about 175 MPH.

The force was so great that I was knocked back a few feet, the impact severe enough to almost make me lose consciousness and I fell to my knees. When I recovered enough to stand I noticed that everything was blurry. Then it all got bright red, then yellow, then my vision vanished. I called upstairs to my wife that I was in serious trouble. The saw was still running, so she shut it off and turned to help me. There was blood everywhere, and I knew right away I might lose the eye. When I went upstairs to look at it, the entire iris was grey (I have brown eyes) and the eye was unresponsive and just lifeless looking.

I went through a horrible ordeal, forced to sit in a recliner without moving for three weeks so the artery I busted inside the eye could heal. A re-bleed would have meant certain and permanent blindness. The intraocular pressure went right off the chart (almost 50 at one point; normal is about 12-15) and they thought I might suffer optic nerve damage. Then I developed a severe cataract, but there was so much other inner damage that I had to go to a trauma eye specialist in Philadelphia to do the surgery. He had to put "extra parts" in there and said it was "touch and go" for a while, but he is one of the best in the country at traumatic cataract surgery (he did Larry Holmes' eyes), so I consider myself blessed that I found him, and that my insurance would cover "out of the system" procedures. The list of bad stuff that happened just went on and on. Now, over two years later, I have partial vision (but terrible depth perception) in the eye. My pupil is permanently "blown" (won't constrict like the other one), I have glaucoma, retinal scarring, etc. More surgeries are likely to be needed over time. All because of one careless moment by a guy who was smug as hell about his tool skills.

So be careful out there, boys and girls. I hate to look like I'm preaching, but an out-of-control chain saw can do a lot more damage than a block of wood can do. It happens in a heartbeat, and then you have the rest of your life to fret about what might have been, if only...

Thanks"Battenkiller" for that sharing and some expert advice. It so easy to get complacent and complacency often kills. You can bet the next time that I work with my Delta Unisaw I'll be thinking of you as I put on my hard hat and visor. Be safe.
Ed
 
kickback when it occurs..is lightning quick with no reaction time included.
(i removed middle 2 fingers age 11 with homemade firecrackers)
been running chainsaws since '68, selling them since '79.
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