Ideal Steel owners...question..

Tar12

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Dec 9, 2016
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Indiana
My son is considering a Ideal Steel for his home he just purchased as he wants a rear vent for his situation...he asked me if you can put a clean out T exiting the rear of this stove? I did not have a answer for him...has anyone done this? Edit...he wants the T inside the home as soon as it exits the stove..
 
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weatherguy

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Feb 20, 2009
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Yes
 

Tar12

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Dec 9, 2016
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Indiana
Let me explain further...he wants the T inside the house coming directly off of the stove inside the stove room as the stove will be centrally located and he does not want to have to disassemble pipe to clean it..
 

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Woody Stover

Minister of Fire
Dec 25, 2010
10,644
Southern IN
he wants a rear vent for his situation...he asked me if you can put a clean out T exiting the rear of this stove?
That's my setup on the Keystone, rear-vented with a tee which is connected to the liner which runs up the masonry chimney. To clean the chimney I just remove the cap on the bottom of the tee, put a plastic bag around that opening and brush from the top.
No reason he can't do as you describe. Or he could top-vent and put a telescoping connector pipe on it. Then you just push up the telescope and put a bag on the bottom. But with a tee, crap doesn't fall into the stove between cleanings, which might require him to clean out the stove occasionally, maybe taking out the baffle if he gets a non-cat.
 

Tar12

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Dec 9, 2016
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Indiana
That's my setup on the Keystone, rear-vented with a tee which is connected to the liner which runs up the masonry chimney. To clean the chimney I just remove the cap on the bottom of the tee, put a plastic bag around that opening and brush from the top.
No reason he can't do as you describe. Or he could top-vent and put a telescoping connector pipe on it. Then you just push up the telescope and put a bag on the bottom. But with a tee, crap doesn't fall into the stove between cleanings, which might require him to clean out the stove occasionally, maybe taking out the baffle if he gets a non-cat.
He has watched me clean the Princess with the telescoping pipe and doesnt want to fool with that...as far as that goes I dont want to either...it doesnt telescope very easily...I may be joining him in the very near future with a rear vent stove...
 

Highbeam

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Dec 28, 2006
16,229
Mt. Rainier Foothills, WA
The ideal steel is different than the princess. He should vent vertically. The stove top hinges up for easy access to where the debris would fall. Actually a superior design for cleaning than the bk. I don’t expect he would ever have to remove the pipe from the stove if he cleans top down. Tees suck unless you’re venting into an old fireplace with liner. They require the stove to be way farther into the room.

If I could combine two stoves to get the ultimate machine it would be the is and the princess. Really just add the thermostat to the IS.
 

begreen

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Nov 18, 2005
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Really just add the thermostat to the IS.
And have a blower option. For some installations this is a reason to have the stove more out of the fireplace cavity and out into the room.
 

Woody Stover

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Dec 25, 2010
10,644
Southern IN
He has watched me clean the Princess with the telescoping pipe and doesnt want to fool with that...as far as that goes I dont want to either...it doesnt telescope very easily...I may be joining him in the very near future with a rear vent stove...
I'm pondering telescoping pipe on my SIL's Alderlea T5 install. We would paint the pipe brown to somewhat match the majolica finish but I'm worried about scratching the paint when I telescope it up for cleaning. I've also seen others say that the telescope can be stubborn. I might just go with solid pipe and pull the secondary baffle to brush it.
And have a blower option. For some installations this is a reason to have the stove more out of the fireplace cavity and out into the room.
Right. At one point I had the Dutchwest top-vented and back in the fireplace. It convected up the back and over the top but the sides are radiant, and a lot of radiation went into the masonry. I needed the blower to get what heat I could out of the fireplace. Now I have the back of the Keystone flush with the fireplace opening.
 
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Tar12

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The ideal steel is different than the princess. He should vent vertically. The stove top hinges up for easy access to where the debris would fall. Actually a superior design for cleaning than the bk. I don’t expect he would ever have to remove the pipe from the stove if he cleans top down. Tees suck unless you’re venting into an old fireplace with liner. They require the stove to be way farther into the room.

If I could combine two stoves to get the ultimate machine it would be the is and the princess. Really just add the thermostat to the IS.
I wasnt aware of the cleaning process for the IS he will be pleased to hear this!
 
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Highbeam

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I wasnt aware of the cleaning process for the IS he will be pleased to hear this!
It’s pretty slick. Also you can lift that top up and then lift the cat out for inspection, cleaning, or whatever without replacing any gaskets.

Woodstock stoves don’t seem to be UL listed which might bother your insurance company.
 
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begreen

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Woodstock stoves don’t seem to be UL listed which might bother your insurance company.
Woodstock stoves are tested and UL listed. It's the Canadian equivalent ULC S628 that they are not listed with.

Ideal Steel
Tested To UL 1482-2011
Tested & Listed By Omni-Test Laboratories, Inc.
Report #122-S-08-2
 

Highbeam

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Dec 28, 2006
16,229
Mt. Rainier Foothills, WA
Woodstock stoves are tested and UL listed. It's the Canadian equivalent that they are not tested to.

Ideal Steel
Tested To UL 1482-2011
Tested & Listed By Omni-Test Laboratories, Inc.
Report #122-S-08-2
I apologize. Thank you for the correction.

I’m anxious for the IS to gain 2020 compliance so I can see those other testing details like actual output and firebox size.
 
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graycatman

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My son is considering a Ideal Steel for his home he just purchased as he wants a rear vent for his situation...he asked me if you can put a clean out T exiting the rear of this stove? I did not have a answer for him...has anyone done this? Edit...he wants the T inside the home as soon as it exits the stove..
That's the setup I have. Selkirk DSP tee on the back of the IS, into DSP stovepipe, into Metalbestos. About 30' from the bottom of the tee to the cap. only problem is the bottom of the tee is pretty close to the hearth, so if you are cleaning bottom up consider something quite flexible, like a sooteater. it's a bit difficult to bend regular rods to get your brush up the tee, although that's what i usually do.
 
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branchburner

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Sep 27, 2008
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southern NH
My son is considering a Ideal Steel for his home he just purchased as he wants a rear vent for his situation...he asked me if you can put a clean out T exiting the rear of this stove? I did not have a answer for him...has anyone done this? Edit...he wants the T inside the home as soon as it exits the stove..
Yes, no problem. That is my setup (in a fireplace).
 
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Highbeam

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Dec 28, 2006
16,229
Mt. Rainier Foothills, WA
I've been reading up on the IS some more, because, well, it's a cool stove. Here is a photo of the stove top lifted up and off. Easy access to where the brushed debris will pile. Also note that you can shove the brush right into the stove without hitting anything sensitive.
 

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