Help identifying pellet venting pipe

[jodyscott]

I have an existing venting setup for my previous Whitfield Quest pellet stove. I have replaced it with a Cleveland PS20W mini pellet stove. I am hoping to be able to use the existing venting with this pellet stove, but as you can see from the photos, I’ll need to lower the pipe. It says connectors should be L or PL and have 80mm or 3 inch diameter. Recommended is 24 gauge, double walled, type B ventilation (from the manual). Can you please help me? Hopefully I can keep most of my existing setup.
Photos attached.

 

[johneh]

Maybe you should build a hearth under the stove
to bring it to the height you need.
Rather than play around with the chimney

 

[jodyscott]

Maybe you should build a hearth under the stove
to bring it to the height you need.
Rather than play around with the chimney

Hi!I do have this existing hearth, just not sure how to build it up to spec

 

[johneh]

Maybe someone here can guide you through what needs to be done
do you have any carpentry or building experience?
Do you know a person with the necessary skills?
Even though I have extensive cabinet-making skills
it is not something I would try to teach online
And Welcome to the Forum
What part of Canada?

 

[jodyscott]

Maybe someone here can guide you through what needs to be done
do you have any carpentry or building experience?
Do you know a person with the necessary skills?
Even though I have extensive cabinet-making skills
it is not something I would try to teach online
And Welcome to the Forum
What part of Canada?

Evening, John!

I appreciate you chiming in. A friend of mine has carpentry skills, but is unfamiliar with chimney venting. He suggested that I measure from the center of the new stove's output vent to the center of my existing vent pipe, then raise the new pellet stove on cinder blocks or similar to the difference of height between the 2. I figure this sounds easier than done, since concrete blocks (likely the simplest material to raise the hearth) are either 4" or 6" at their smallest. I thought I might only need to install an adjustable length stove pipe (selkirk, duravent, etc..) to my existing pipe (sadly, I can't identify what I have in place due to no product labelling that I can see). A local heating supplier is informing me that "they don't make PL venting anymore" and that they sell ICC pellet venting and that would require a new setup. Thank you for the welcome. I'm from Moncton, NB.

 

[johneh]

You find the measurement you need and just build a wood platform that height
with the top of the platform made of a fire /heatproof material like bricks, fieldstone or tiles
If you give your friend the measurement I am sure he will be able to build it for you .
Then the stove will fit right into the pipe
You can see how my stove sits on a raised hearth

 

[jodyscott]

You find the measurement you need and just build a wood platform that height
with the top of the platform made of a fire /heatproof material like bricks, fieldstone or tiles
If you give your friend the measurement I am sure he will be able to build it for you .
Then the stove will fit right into the pipe
You can see how my stove sits on a raised hearthView attachment 332900

Awesome, John! What a beautiful setup. I'll have him double check my measurements and then see about a heatproof platform (likely tile). I still question whether I can't simply add a compatible piece of adjustable pipe to my setup. Duravent and Selkirk appear to make these 3" pipes of different lengths, even one adjustable from 3" to 18" in length.

 

[johneh]

You can try but finding one that does not leak may be a chore

 

[Kensington88]

Congrats on your new pellet stove! We have the same one and just love how great it heats our garage/work space. I used bricks to raise the stove to the legal height for our provincial regulations and then adjusted the feet of the stove to level and gain an extra inch or so. I've also included a pic of the vent pipe that was recommended by the local pellet stove guru. We had to install an adapter to increase it from 3 inch to 4 inch.

 

[jodyscott]

Congrats on your new pellet stove! We have the same one and just love how great it heats our garage/work space. I used bricks to raise the stove to the legal height for our provincial regulations and then adjusted the feet of the stove to level and gain an extra inch or so. I've also included a pic of the vent pipe that was recommended by the local pellet stove guru. We had to install an adapter to increase it from 3 inch to 4 inch.

I’ve learned so much in your reply! Thank you very, very much. I’m looking forward to trying out my new stove after having success mating with my existing chimney. I noticed you hooked up the air intake hose that comes with the stove. In the manual, it says this is optional and primarily for a mobile home if I’m not mistaken. As I don’t have an existing setup to use that hose and with my unit being in my basement, is it ok to leave that one in the package? Any other tips you might be able to offer me specific to this stove are very appreciated! I have the stove’s feet up to about their max height. Thank you!

 

[Kensington88]

I’ve learned so much in your reply! Thank you very, very much. I’m looking forward to trying out my new stove after having success mating with my existing chimney. I noticed you hooked up the air intake hose that comes with the stove. In the manual, it says this is optional and primarily for a mobile home if I’m not mistaken. As I don’t have an existing setup to use that hose and with my unit being in my basement, is it ok to leave that one in the package? Any other tips you might be able to offer me specific to this stove are very appreciated! I have the stove’s feet up to about their max height. Thank you!

I can't say I know exactly what is required for fresh air requirements in a residential basement. When I had those kinds of questions, I reached out to local professionals for answers. They were happy to do so for no charge.

As for your stove’s air supply, I’d caution against leaving that portion of the system disconnected. If the stove relies on inside air for combustion, factors like room size, pellet burn rate, fan speed, and the type of pellets you're using could create conditions for air starvation if the room isn't properly ventilated. I’d be careful about that.

In my own setup, I installed a fresh air intake directly to the stove, creating a closed-loop direct vent system. This allowed me to place the exhaust vent closer to a door opening, which was helpful in my limited space. It also gives me peace of mind, knowing that I’m not using the breathable air in my 500-square-foot garage for combustion.

I hope this helps with your installation, and that you find the best solution to keep your stove operating safely and efficiently.

 

[johneh]

The outside air kit is up to you unless the manual says you have to install one
My stove is so equipped because if you use room air for combustion you
are using air that you paid to heat throwing money up the chimney
Just my nickel's worth.

 

[jodyscott]

Thank you both for offering info re: the fresh air vent accessory piece that comes with my stove. I’ve contacted a local professional and have been told that I have bigger problems with this model stove and my current setup. He thinks the original hearth under the patio stones I added is tile built on plywood, which wouldn’t pass a whett cert. I don’t understand much about thermal resistance value R of my flooring material, but I’ve been told this stove may need to sit on the concrete floor (removing blocks, hearth and surrounding carpeting), which would then require a new chimney vent install because of the difficulty dismantling parts of the silicone sealed pipes I have + discontinued Selkirk venting.
Also, my outside venting shouldn’t be cemented in and may be too close to the ground. I’m wondering if this mini pellet stove was still a good investment? It could be that my 1990’s setup is just too dated and needs replacing..

 

[johneh]

I just had my youngest son read what you have written He is Ontario WETT Cert.
He says your man is full of S and just wants to make money
A pellet stove only needs what your manual says for your stove as floor protection
also here pellet stoves are not covered under wett nor is the pellet vent.
When installed normally a building inspector gives the ok in some cases they want a
Fire Department Ok but usually just for ins purposes
From the manual
Floor ProtectionYour Whitfield pellet stove must be installed on a non-combustible protective floor pad of minimum 3/8”thickness material or a masonry hearth. The hearth or floor pad must extend a minimum of 6”in front of and from each side of the stove or to the nearest permitted combustible material if less than 6”.

 

[jodyscott]

I just had my youngest son read what you have written He is Ontario WETT Cert.
He says your man is full of S and just wants to make money
A pellet stove only needs what your manual says for your stove as floor protection
also here pellet stoves are not covered under wett nor is the pellet vent.
When installed normally a building inspector gives the ok in some cases they want a
Fire Department Ok but usually just for ins purposes
From the manual
Floor ProtectionYour Whitfield pellet stove must be installed on a non-combustible protective floor pad of minimum 3/8”thickness material or a masonry hearth. The hearth or floor pad must extend a minimum of 6”in front of and from each side of the stove or to the nearest permitted combustible material if less than 6”.

Hi Joneh, thank you for chiming in. Are you getting those distances from the manual where I posted a photo? The new stove is a Cleveland Iron Works PS20W. The Whitfield is the stove I’m replacing and my home is currently set up for. I’m being told what is required for flooring and distance to combustibles is very different from the Whitfield. Apparently it’s the old Hearth (tile on plywood) that is the problem? He’ll be offering me a quote on what it needs to be whett certified here in NB. Currently, it is hooked up to the original chimney but I’ve yet to fire it up seeing as it may be in violation with my distances to carpet, but I would have figured having it propped up on that old hearth and 4” of extra cement block would satisfy the R value in my manual.

 

[ARC]

FLOORING MATERIALFloor protection must be all of the following:• Listed to UL 1618.• At least 0.5” (13 mm) thick• Constructed of non-combustible material.• Have either:Thermal resistance value R of 1.19(ft2)(hr)(0F)BtuThermal conductivity value k of 0.84 (Btu) (inch)(ft2)(hr)(0F)

That sounds like standard stove board not sure about dimensions of your stove below is ul 1618, .5" and r 1.50 not sure it is big enough though.

https://www.acehardware.com/departm...7_g8Sx5GPpS4L-JIT5oaArHMEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

[jodyscott]

FLOORING MATERIALFloor protection must be all of the following:• Listed to UL 1618.• At least 0.5” (13 mm) thick• Constructed of non-combustible material.• Have either:Thermal resistance value R of 1.19(ft2)(hr)(0F)BtuThermal conductivity value k of 0.84 (Btu) (inch)(ft2)(hr)(0F)

That sounds like standard stove board not sure about dimensions of your stove below is ul 1618, .5" and r 1.50 not sure it is big enough though.

https://www.acehardware.com/departm...7_g8Sx5GPpS4L-JIT5oaArHMEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

Greetings and thanks again for the input. These are my new stove dimensions. I’ve been told that I’m requiring more than 10 inches of non-combustible flooring under this unit. It seems a bit much. The r-value doesn’t seem like it should be that much.

 

[johneh]

Like I said the guy is just found a sucker and is going to rip you off 10 inches
that's unheard of even for a wood stove .
Make a hearth of fire brick the pad size and height needed, indicated in your manual and you are
more than good to go
As for your chimney, I would replace it. From what I see the vent just dumps
the exhaust into a lined chimney of unknown condition